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Post by Isaak (?) » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:41 pm

Isaak wrote:No pony video making today beyond playing around though.

Which I did!

Pink Outline Experiment



Along with Particular I've been trying experimenting with other Trapcode plug-ins like 3D Stroke and Starglow. It was a great way to get my hands dirty with layers, solids, keyframes, camera actors and some Illustrator work.
Basically I followed this tutorial and gave it my own spin.

Also the first time using .mov h264, which I'm liking.

e: weird, can't seem to get the Youtube tags to work.
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Post by HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:20 am

That does look nice. And more Need for Speed music! :pinkietoot:

As far as naming the AJ video, I support "Live like Applejack." But then I'm an AJ fan, so what do I know? :bluh:
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Post by Opposing Farce (?) » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:29 am

"Live Like Applejack" might work, although it seems a little... far-reaching. "Work Like Applejack" is okay, too, but then you run into the problem that "work" doesn't necessarily have a positive connotation.

My recommendation: "Apple Like Jack."
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Post by Dong Strongly (?) » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:31 am

Make it a video about AJ lifting weights all the time and call it "Jacked like Applejack."
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Post by numsOic (?) » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:26 am

^
Alternatively, I liked the suggestion of "Stand Like Applejack".
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Post by IronHeart (?) » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:21 am

Stand has always been my personal favorite.

Since it has more to do with her personality in relation to her element, and the way she would come across to people.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:45 am

I keep coming back to stand, it really is the best one so far I think.
Got a couple of other suggestions as well like Herd, Rodeo, Reap and Sow which are good directions but not quite there.

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Anyhow, video updates! The last couple of streams were less about getting work done and more about trying to figure everything out.
I'm still very much in the 'feeling my way around' stage of the project, though with today's (yesterday's) progress I have the feeling this is going somewhere.

In terms of new stuff added I made a fairly simple sequence in After Effects with AJ standing on top of something...

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... but what's this?

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There's still a lot missing like a ground plane with some kind of orchard.

More importantly, though not that presentable is that I now have a rough outline for the first fifteen seconds with some really, really dirty storyboarding:

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What you're looking at is basically a .png with some text over it to let me know what the hell has to be happening. What's handy is that I can easily tell what I need for any given part.
For instance for the sequence pictured I need a running cycle of AJ and trees whizzing past, which should be pretty easy to do in AE.

That's it for this week, now if you'll excuse me I have a date with my bed :v:

Thanks to fenster & DrDinosaur for the help and mental support!
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Post by Davyinatoga (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:32 am

Bah, why do I keep missing these?! :fluttersmith:

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I think you're missing a period after "running" and you misspelled "buy." :gotcha:

"Live Live Applejack" is ok for a title, but it leads to thinking that she's the only one who predominantly "lives," which is not the case. Each character lives their own life to the fullest in their own way (as emphasized by previous ____ Like ___ vids). It also doesn't really explain any defining characteristics of AJ, and there's been enough verbs with "l" in them as it is (Love, Learn, Play), and is too close to "Love" to really separate the two vids (likewise I would suggest "Raise Like AJ" but RLRD). What about...

Stride Like AJ
Earn Like AJ :awesomedash:
Cultivate Like AJ (meh, but better than Till or Sow imho)
Wrangle Like AJ :cool:
Strive Like AJ
Endeavor Like AJ
Devote Like AJ
Commit Like AJ
Honor Like AJ

OpposingFarce wrote:"Apple Like Jack."

Thisthisthisthis!!
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Post by Wylie (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:54 am

Isaak wrote:I keep coming back to stand, it really is the best one so far I think.
Got a couple of other suggestions as well like Herd, Rodeo, Reap and Sow which are good directions but not quite there.


I'm gonna throw in for "Work Like Applejack". "Stand" just isn't an active enough verb for her, I don't think.

This looks awesome, by the way. The pullback reveal of her name is very cool.
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Post by VoidChicken (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:58 am

Every other video has had a single syllable, so I think you should stick with that. Buck? Farm? Trot? Run?

Run like Applejack? Has a nice ring to it, fits her decently enough.
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Post by fenster (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:59 am

Davyinatoga wrote:Bah, why do I keep missing these?! :fluttersmith:


Its a tough weekly schedule for us in america sadly, I can only make it because I got nothing to do ( :pinkieshrug: ), but hopefully you can make it on saturdays since I think saturdays should be easiest for most people to mess with schedules.

Davyinatoga wrote:What about...

Stride Like AJ
Earn Like AJ :awesomedash:
Cultivate Like AJ (meh, but better than Till or Sow imho)
Wrangle Like AJ :cool:
Strive Like AJ
Endeavor Like AJ
Devote Like AJ
Commit Like AJ
Honor Like AJ


I like a bunch of these, but while I think "Cultivate Like AJ" would be funny, having one syllable is the most important part I think since it'll help it flow along with the other videos, or at least we can try to minimize the amount of syllables.
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Post by Davyinatoga (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:10 am

fenster wrote:I like a bunch of these, but while I think "Cultivate Like AJ" would be funny, having one syllable is the most important part I think since it'll help it flow along with the other videos, or at least we can try to minimize the amount of syllables.

True, true. Cultivate just encompasses the entire process of tending to something until it fully grows, unlike Till or Sow, which are only parts of the process that involve putting work into but not receiving any rewards.

What about Harvest? I'm sure that's been suggested, no?
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Post by HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:25 am

VoidChicken wrote:Run like Applejack? Has a nice ring to it, fits her decently enough.

I like that. It could even have multiple meanings, kinda. As in, she "runs" a family business?

"Work" is way too menial and makes her sound like no fun. :bluh:
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Post by Wylie (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:00 am

Davyinatoga wrote:True, true. Cultivate just encompasses the entire process of tending to something until it fully grows, unlike Till or Sow, which are only parts of the process that involve putting work into but not receiving any rewards.

What about Harvest? I'm sure that's been suggested, no?


Why not "Grow," then? It works on a few levels. She grows apples, and she's generally the one helping her friends grow as well.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:34 am

Wow, thanks for all the suggestions! :yay:
This really brings out some great and helpful discussion.

Davyinotoga wrote:Bah, why do I keep missing these?!

I'm going for a livestream starting every every Thursday, Friday and Saturday around 20:00 GMT+1, which is... in other timezones... err... 4 or 5 or 6 or something. (Something's good)
I stream for about 3 hours so you can hop for quite some time.

"Strive"
Verb:
1. Make great efforts to achieve or obtain something.

I LIKE. It encompasses just about everything mentioned so far.
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Post by Lhet (?) » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:19 am

perhaps
Be like Applejack
Lead like Applejack
Wear a hat like Applejack
Help like Applejack
Endure like Applejack
Live like Applejack

On another note, :skeptic: jumped up from least favorite pony position after Cutie Pox, because I realized the reason I didn't like her was the hat. Now that I realize that, I appreciate the character a lot more.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:34 pm

With every trailer so far I've grown to love every character more, so AJ's will probably have the same effect. She's already on my shortlist for 'Best Mane'. Seriously, that thing needs its own show :starity:
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Post by Isaak (?) » Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:16 pm

Today's livestream results!

Right after the opening sequence (a few posts up) the camera flies past AJ into a forest where we see AJ running. I took a run cycle from the show, rotobrushed it and threw it on a loop.
I had some trouble getting the trees. I figured I'd use a particle emitter to spawn the trees on the 3D plane AJ's running on, but I couldn't get that to work. It was also a bit too complex/advanced for the
kind of thing I was going for, so I ended up just making a really wide image of cloned trees in Photoshop and moved that from the left to the right in After Effects.

It's all placeholder now, though I should have it pretty much finalized by Sunday.

Have a screenshot!

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No livestream tomorrow, going to a game development convention :yay:
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Post by Isaak (?) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:35 pm

Livestream go!. Picking up where I left off last... Thursday? Was that Thur... yes, yes it was.

Also, pony spoilers ahead!
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Post by IronHeart (?) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:43 pm

Damn, I can't stream on my phone.

I am the sad.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:52 pm

IronHeart wrote:Damn, I can't stream on my phone.

I am the sad.

:(

Have a .gif of most of today's work.

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.gif people, you're awesome

I'm continuing with the 'sketch first, finalize later' style here, trying to get an idea of the video as quickly as possible. Results come in way faster than Shine Like Rarity where I would work for hours on end trying to perfect everything.
There are a couple of issues here, but I can iron those out in subsequent passes, bugfixing so to speak.
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Post by drunkill (?) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:01 pm

Very cool, whats with the pause on the clouds though? Is that where the "[word] like..." goes before revealing applejack in letters? If so, thats awesome, if not, think about smoothing it up maybe?


That font is great though, reminds me of the Appleloosa episode.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:53 pm

The timing is off, yes. The clouds stay in the frame for about half a second, it should be half of that. I should note that everything is still placeholder: the idea with this particular video is to get my ideas in there quickly so that I can see how they'll look.
I like this way of sketching first, finalizing later so far, I get results instantly instead of trying to make everything perfect in one go. Helps me get rid of some bad habits too :)
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Post by Isaak (?) » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:18 pm

I hate bumping my own thread like this, but today's livestream was a bit of an eye opener and I feel like I really have to share the lesson I learned.

The idea was to have a solid base to work from for AJ's video, in contrast to Shine which felt as if I was stabbing in the dark, yet trying to make it work instantly. So I "got my act together" and set out to be organized!
I wouldn't try to get everything perfect from the get-go, but would work on the video in multiple passes, iterating and refining things until they would get my stamp of approval.
Results would come in quickly, I could react to them and build on them as I went along.

Today I got an interesting result which was the realization that Shine actually DID have a strong concept to draw from and that the stabbing in the dark was actually taking place with this project.
Shine was actually well defined from the start: bold colour scheme, rectangular shapes, kinetic typography and silhouettes. Assets could be made quickly because I knew exactly just what size my creative sandbox was: I had a clear idea what the constraints were.
I was in a comfortable position for pretty much the entire process and didn't have to stop and think what to do next. Production took long, but I could just keep working.
With AJ's video I've been doing that constantly... I don't have a vision, a strong visual identity to go for, I actually have no plan or organization. RIght now it's Applejack and... stuff happening... sort of.

I don't know where it's going, when it'll end or anything.

So I thought about the processe so far and found out that I've been paying far too much attention and energy to trying to do things radically different, making myself blind to everything I actually did right.
In doing so I skipped a couple of very important early steps: jotting down notes in my notebook while listening to the music non stop, collecting different clips of AJ to start with, et cetera, et cetera.
I think I stumbled on a negative outcome of "Trying to do things differently with every video": there's a point where you stray too far from what you know. I found it and I got stuck.

Important lesson right here I feel. Now, this doesn't mean I'll just dump everything I've done so far and start over, but I am going to take a step back and look at it from from a conceptual point of view before diving back into production.
My mind's in a weird place now...

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Next to all of that, which I realize is a lot now that I'm processing it, I got to work on iterating on one of the existing shots:

Before

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and after

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It's still missing something red!
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Post by Davyinatoga (?) » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:44 am

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Post by Isaak (?) » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:03 pm

Live in a few, important stream as I'll find out whether I actually have enough available footage of AJ...

Edit: Or not... Livestream appears to have broken up with me. What did I say? :gonkity:
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Post by fenster (?) » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:35 am

I'm not sure if Isaak said this, but it may be possible that he'll stream tomorrow? :pinkieshrug:
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Post by Isaak (?) » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:33 pm

I am starting anew with the Applejack video. A longer post explaining exactly why and where I go from here will be put here later on, for now I'll share the 'first draft' with you :)

[...] Like Applejack - Draft One
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Post by numsOic (?) » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:22 pm

Isaak wrote:[...] Like Applejack

This. This should be the final name.
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Post by Glazius (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:11 am

That's a nice hook.

I don't suppose "Do Like Applejack" makes any sense as a title.
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Post by Herr General (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:27 am

The only verb I can think of off the top off my head is "Buck Like Applejack", and I think we all know why that won't work. :bluh:
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Post by Lhet (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:37 am

numsOic wrote:This. This should be the final name.

I'm not really feeling 'Ellipsis like Applejack'.

I think I can see the reasoning for the restart. That song has a lot going on.
You might consider something more like Spike in a Rail, though it might be harder (as far as planning) because every effect would last longer and thus need to be more meaningful. Just something to consider.
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Post by Herr General (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:45 am

Alcohol like Applejack
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Apples are Rubbishjack
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Post by Momar (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:46 am

This debate is indicative of a larger problem with Applejack's character. None of her virtues can be expressed in the form of a simple present tense verb.
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Post by Headless Horse (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:09 pm

Which oddly might mean she's actually the most true-to-life of the characters. :pinkieshrug: I's not often you meet someone in real life whose personality you can sum up in a sentence, let alone a word.
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Post by Glazius (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:29 pm

Momar wrote:This debate is indicative of a larger problem with Applejack's character. None of her virtues can be expressed in the form of a simple present tense verb.

"Try"?

Alternately, "Strive"?
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Post by numsOic (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:10 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Which oddly might mean she's actually the most true-to-life of the characters. :pinkieshrug: I's not often you meet someone in real life whose personality you can sum up in a sentence, let alone a word.

"These ponies are so multifaceted and well characterized" - Headless Horse, pretty much every post

"You can sum up everyone but Applejack in a single word" - Headless Horse, this post

You of all people must know why the words chosen for Isaak's videos aren't a complete summary of the ponies featured.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:47 pm

Well, now I might just redo them all :iamapony:
The verb is only an emphasis, nothing more. They put the spotlight on a character's predominant characteristic, not the entire character.

I'm doing this livestream thing again in... 12 minutes.
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