The Gender and Sexual Minorities Thread II: So Many Wonders

(?) · Post by **Momo** (?) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:15 pm

Stillll not seeing that thread in the DPC forum.

Call of Duty Ghosts · Post by **Call of Duty Ghosts** (?) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:48 pm

Momar wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:58 pm
If anyone wants to continue this line of conversation, I'd suggest you go to DPC and discuss the option of having a sexual health / sexual education thread. Because we're diverging from the GSM thread. I'd be willing to moderate it, and you already know my thoughts on the topic, but this is derailing.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

ToastyBiggins · Post by **ToastyBiggins** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:29 pm

Momar wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:58 pm
If anyone wants to continue this line of conversation, I'd suggest you go to DPC and discuss the option of having a sexual health / sexual education thread. Because we're diverging from the GSM thread. I'd be willing to moderate it, and you already know my thoughts on the topic, but this is derailing.

Momar wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:15 pm
Stillll not seeing that thread in the DPC forum.

By sheer outrageous coincidence, I've been having incredibly similar thoughts to some of the one expressed here recently, especially those about wishing my sex drive would just kind of subside/go away, and it's been eating away at me for a while. I realize that's probably not normal, but I didn't feel like there was anyone I could talk to about it. I never even imagined bringing it up here, because I was afraid it would seem gross or icky.

In other words, if there are other people like me who have problems or concerns that they don't feel like they can talk about in any of our existing threads, then perhaps making a new thread would do a lot of good. I would totally support the creation of such a thread if it were recommended in DPC.

...but I wouldn't actually make the request thread in DPC because that sounds scary ahhhhh

Timber72 · Post by **Timber72** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:30 pm

ToastyBiggins wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:29 pm
...but I wouldn't actually make the request thread in DPC because that sounds scary ahhhhh

Already going now:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3432

ToastyBiggins · Post by **ToastyBiggins** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:31 pm

Procrastination pays off yet again!

(?) · Post by **Momo** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:53 am

Well, that's that. No sex ed discussion on the open forums. But as I've said before, I was a sex education counsellor for five years and my PM inbox is always open.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:14 am

I'm sincerely sorry if I upset anyone with what we talked about on the last page. I didn't mean to upset anyone.

(?) · Post by **Momo** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:26 am

I really don't think you did. But time for a new topic.

And just so we're clear, I fully respect the decision not to have these sorts of discussions. We've been skirting the edge of appropriateness for a while, and I really wanted to force the issue. And I wanted to ask the whole forums, not because I'm worried about making people uncomfortable (they can always just not read the thread), but I was more interested in the 'propriety' of it. I talk about sex like the weather, so I'm a little tone-deaf. I see nothing wrong with clinical sexuality discussion on a pony forum. But I'm more concerned about the general public opinion, or even a minority public opinion.

(?) · Post by **Momo** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:28 am

Moving on:

Wizard of Oz: Gay movie, or the Gayest Movie?

CorvusCaw · Post by **CorvusCaw** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:29 am

Momar wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:28 am
Moving on:

Wizard of Oz: Gay movie, or the Gayest Movie?

Top Gun is way gayer.

Factory Factory · Post by **Factory Factory** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:37 am

But have we yet had a movie that's sufficiently gay?

BackgroundPony · Post by **BackgroundPony** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:39 am

Corpy wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:29 am
Top Gun is way gayer.

Truth. Also wow name change.

I'm vaguely disgruntled at the rfc thread for sexchat being opened and closed within a few hours one evening when most American members would be out for a holiday. I mean if it was ultimately going to be an admin coming in and laying the law down, why open it to member comment at all?

Anyway, I don't want to be all sour grapes, I didn't really have a preference either way. How about them gays, eh?

(?) · Post by **Momo** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:55 am

No, Background, it was more the fact that I wasn't going to support it if [i]anyone[/i] found it inappropriate.

Ponder · Post by **Ponder** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:03 am

BackgroundPony wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:39 am
Also wow name change.

I assumed a name change would happen eventually, and although I don't think I ever said it aloud, I was kind of hoping CC would become CORPSE CAVERN

(?) · Post by **Venusy** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:07 am

Pseudonym wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:48 pm
Sorry for derailing the thread.

Pseudo, don't beat yourself up about it. It's a source of anxiety relating to sexuality, and a line I've crossed repeatedly before while trying to sort out my own thought processes. You are not worthless.

Momar wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:53 am
Well, that's that. No sex ed discussion on the open forums. But as I've said before, I was a sex education counsellor for five years and my PM inbox is always open.

I think the problem here is the same as telling people to go to IRC: despite these being more private environments, the people affected can be more anxious about using them rather than the public forums.

(I've never been into #quiltbag, should probably fix that at some point

). The other issue is that these private things can't really serve as resources or inspiration for others in the same way; I don't want anyone making the same mistakes I did.

[quote="Pony post_id=49467 time=1372983883 user_id=54]At the same time, the constantly-spoilered purely-mechanical talk makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, like what is being talked about is something that needs to be censored even in a safe space. Like, dealing with unwanted urges is something non-asexual folks do, too. It's not a source an anxiety the same way, but sometimes it's definitely distracting and invasive (and for folks with male bits, well, don't wear sweat pants in high school, y'know?). You just learn to endure it, and it becomes one of those unspoken life skills.
[/quote]
This is true (and I didn't get the spoiler tagging either, especially given that the way it was done was the equivalent of "Star Wars spoiler: Darth Vader is Luke's father"), but at the same time, this thread is partially about helping people come to terms with their sexual orientation. Most people have the luxury of thinking about that in terms of love or romance rather than as purely a mechanical thing, but (aromantic) aces don't.

We've had several people that said they felt uncomfortable sharing their problems or perspectives in this thread. I understand we need to be fair to people who are uncomfortable with sexchat, which is why the separate thread made sense - those people wouldn't have to scroll through sexchat to get to the latest feelgood story (by the way,

Momar!). Right now though, it feels like these discussions are being somewhat censored, not by unnecessary spoiler tags, but by constant encouragement to never talk about any issues like these publicly.

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The decision has been made, so if I see someone struggling with these kind of things in future and think I could offer support, I'll try to take it to PMs.

PREVIEW EDIT: Oops, I've been typing this for a while.

Did find it somewhat annoying that the RFC thread was opened and closed while I was asleep though.

Demeh · Post by **Demeh** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:45 am

Ah, I was gonna give my two cents on the topic when I got back from work, but I guess not. While I'm of the opinion that sex is just as much a part of life as having breakfast (and hey, some people don't like breakfast), I respect that some people might be uncomfortable with it and will refrain from talking too much about it in the future.

Also, Pseudonym, please, don't, don't, DON'T do anything rash. Everyone here is really worried about you and wishes you all the best. Nothing is ever so dark that it won't be light again!

CapacitorPlague · Post by **CapacitorPlague** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:11 am

Corpy wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:29 am
Top Gun is way gayer.

I've watched David Decoteau movies, so my sense of scale on the "gayness" of a movie is pretty skewed.

Also, Top Gun is gayer than Wizard of Oz, but Commando is probably the gayest movie of the 80s.

Octavia · Post by **Octavia** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:36 am

Corpy wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:29 am
Top Gun is way gayer.

Ninetails · Post by **Ninetails** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:47 am

So Costa Rica managed to accidentally legalize same sex marriages.

In changing a bill, someone took out the part requiring marriage to be between a man and a woman, so now people are calling for the President to veto it because no one actually read it while voting on it.

(?) · Post by **Momo** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:52 am

Oh man that is so awesome.

I hope the president is all "Welp, guess you're stuck with it now."

Lilli · Post by **Lilli** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:59 am

Momar wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:52 am
Oh man that is so awesome.

I hope the president is all "Welp, guess you're stuck with it now."

Let this be a lesson in 'doing your job.'

Also this is pretty cool.

Scuderia · Post by **Scuderia** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:32 am

Octavia wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:36 am

Hell is:

Being cornered at a party by an over caffeinated Quentin Tarantino with a point to prove.

Pingcode · Post by **Pingcode** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:40 am

[quote="Kitty post_id=49488 time=1373032067 user_id=137]So Costa Rica managed to accidentally legalize same sex marriages.

In changing a bill, someone took out the part requiring marriage to be between a man and a woman, so now people are calling for the President to veto it because no one actually read it while voting on it.[/quote]

Social progress goes "boink"

Mordja · Post by **Mordja** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:00 am

Well, that's probably a first.
And the gayest movie's gotta be Lionheart, one of the first movie's I saw at Genisi's synchs.

concerned reader · Post by **concerned reader** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:00 pm

I dunno. Dragonheart is pretty gay too. I mean, the dragon offers his heart to like three different men.

CapacitorPlague · Post by **CapacitorPlague** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:20 pm

Thought of another one. Bloodsport, especially the scene where the two friends are talking in the hospital after the bad guy beat the hell out of one of them (the one who looks like Lyle Alzado but isn't) and they're gazing into each other's eyes.

Aria Genisi · Post by **Aria Genisi** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:33 pm

Mordja wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:00 am
Well, that's probably a first.
And the gayest movie's gotta be Lionheart, one of the first movie's I saw at Genisi's synchs.

Nah, they gayest movie I've ever synched has got to be The Asylum's Sherlock Holmes, which was in the very first B-Movie synch I did.

Mordja · Post by **Mordja** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:40 pm

I never saw that one. Isn't that the "adaptation" with...I'm going to say it had dinosaurs in it?

Aria Genisi · Post by **Aria Genisi** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:42 pm

Mordja wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:40 pm
I never saw that one. Isn't that the "adaptation" with...I'm going to say it had dinosaurs in it?

Yes.

Timber72 · Post by **Timber72** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:36 pm

I'm disappointed.

I mean, seriously, Nobody said Brokeback Mountain yet?

For shame.

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Also, CORPY new name!!!!!!

Daikatuna · Post by **Daikatuna** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:42 pm

Twilight wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:36 pm
I'm disappointed.

I mean, seriously, Nobody said Brokeback Mountain yet?

For shame.

I wanted to, but it felt like a too obvious choice.

cobalt impurity · Post by **cobalt impurity** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:45 pm

Brokeback Mountain wasn't very gay.

CorvusCaw · Post by **CorvusCaw** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:46 pm

Never saw it...

Factory Factory · Post by **Factory Factory** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:47 pm

It was decently bi, though.

(?) · Post by **Fizzbuzz** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:47 pm

Corpy wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:46 pm
Never saw it...

Who are you and what have you done with CorpusCavernosum?

CorvusCaw · Post by **CorvusCaw** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:50 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:47 pm
Who are you and what have you done with CorpusCavernosum?

He got tired of being a dick.

Aramek · Post by **Aramek** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:57 pm

I was gonna say Fisting Firemen 9, but then I remember that's not a real movie, it was made up for that Butters episode of South Park.

"I never saw one through eight." - Butters.

Daikatuna · Post by **Daikatuna** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:06 pm

Corpy wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:46 pm
Never saw it...

I have to admit i've never seen it either.

Factory Factory · Post by **Factory Factory** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:26 pm

Very brief synopsis of Brokeback Mountain for the curious:

Fontra · Post by **Fontra** (?) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:37 pm

No joke, Brokeback Mountain was actually banned from several theaters here where I live. When I finally saw it a year or so after it first came out, I was completely confused as to why everyone was so up-in-arms about it. Like nothing fucking happens in it. I think even the goddamn Mortal Kombat movies were more homoerotic than it.