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Post by StarCharmer » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:41 pm

[quote="Herr post_id=53536 time=1390521027 user_id=1]Since English doesn't have a gender neutral singular pronoun, "they" is probably your best bet- as neat as some of the derivatives are, unfortunately I doubt that they'll enter common usage anytime soon.

On the other hand, since "they" can also be plural, you can use it as an excuse to use the royal "we". :gotcha:[/quote]


... We are now Princess Luna. :-D

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Post by Hi. (?) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:51 pm

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Try vocal therapy first. It is a skill that can be honed up with practice and speech pathologists are very good at what they do. It's also a lot easier to swing back to femme when the need strikes you, and costs way, way less.
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Post by Aurora » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:38 pm

[quote="Cthulhu post_id=53538 time=1390522654 user_id=101]I wonder how Japanese will deal with gender-neutral pronouns :v:

And Chinese :gotcha:[/quote]

There are already tons of nuances to the way Japanese pronouns are handled and I'm pretty sure there's at least one that's neutral.

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Post by ShieldedDiamond » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:28 pm

So I just found out about that G+ bit. Oh dead that really bothers me. :flipout: I mean, I've been trying to avoid G+ for so long, and the farthest I've gotten is using an account with as much fake info as I can, without having any "friends" or anything, so I can set that up to take anything, without it getting into my personal stuff and then sending that all out. And like you said Momar, I am so mad at them for blaming the victim in this! Saying they didn't understand it. Well, as everyone is saying, who understands it? It's so confusing, garbled and just a complete mess the way it's trying to shove into everything, I absolutely cannot stand it. Do they really have any idea what they're doing, or do they simply just not care at all?

And the worst part about it is, it's like complaints don't matter. They're never going to change anything because they're too big to care. :fluttersmith:

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Post by concerned reader (?) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:08 pm

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Post by londonarbuckle (?) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:49 pm

UPDATE: I have learned that I do, apparently, have a Google+ account. Hrm. :-I

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Post by Ninetails (?) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:55 pm

One time for an assignment, I was in a group that used a google doc for part of it, and I joined it without thinking... amusing as it was that they didn't know any 'Katelyn D.', I was pretty terrified about that and ended the conversation about it really quickly.

At the time, I thought it was just a hiccup. I didn't know they were this bad about it :unenthused:

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Post by Aramek (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:28 am

If there is a silver lining to all this, hopefully it'll be that everyone finally knows that if you choose to use G-Services, your "real name" is getting attached.
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Post by Scuderia (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:54 am

londonarbuckle wrote:
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UPDATE: I have learned that I do, apparently, have a Google+ account. Hrm. :-I
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Post by Westy543 (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:53 pm

My question is how Google gets that information suddenly in the first place. :ponder: Billing records? What do they do for people who don't pay for the phone, phones paid by a spouse or shared account, etc?

Still don't understand why Google thinks it's okay to display something other than what the user wants... anywhere. Why yes, I want my YouTube to use my real life name and not my online handle!

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Post by Octavia (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:25 pm

Look at this crazy person running for office in my city. :-I

Fortunately, she has pretty much zero chance of winning.
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Post by Momo (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:27 pm

Rob Ford on the other hand has 40% approval ratings. :-/

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Post by BackgroundPony (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:39 pm

Preview edit: This is in response to Westy, dammit people stop posting when I'm lazy and don't quote someone. You know how hard it is to edit in a quote on a phone? :twonk:

As far as name goes, you have to give it to them. At least, for now. I'm sure they could cross reference information on my phone, that they clearly have some access to, with my attached Google account (which the phone won't work without) and put a name on it. But if they did that, I would probably start screaming and not stop until someone shot me with a tranquilizer dart.

And people give up their private personal info to them because they want access to some Google service that requires a working G+ account, which in turn requires a real name. I've tried being tricky with it, but they're very exacting about what they'll accept. No initials. Not even J. Smith or whatever. Their algorithm is kind of overboard, and there are stories of people with names like Bob Duck getting denied because it doesn't sound real enough for Google.

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Post by West Filly (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:00 pm

Do I not come up as West Filly on Google plus?
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Post by Gravenstein » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:41 pm

I'm "nope nothappening" on G+, and I haven't gotten any kind of hassle yet. :pinkieshrug:

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Post by Snowfire (?) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:43 pm

Notice how everyone was upset about GMail being down, and no one gave a shit about Google+?

Take a hint Google. :-/
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Post by Momo (?) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:03 am

http://www.advocate.com/politics/transg ... ting-women
Just when you thought Dubai wasn't a shitty fucking place to visit, two transwomen were kicked out of a club in Dubai for having 'M' on their passports. Then when they complained to the police, they were arrested and had their passports seized for "imitating women."

Oh, and they'll be charged again if they go out on the streets, and they can't return home until their trial is over. It starts in March.

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Post by BackgroundPony (?) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:54 am

That's horrible. Seriously, no one should ever go to Dubai for anything. All I hear out of that place is horror stories about people getting arrested for the most ridiculous things. You couldn't pay me enough money to step one foot inside that country. They'd probably instantly slap a cuff around my ankle and haul me off to jail.

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Post by Momo (?) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:26 am

I was actually approached by a company offering to pay me to move to Dubai to work for them for 2 years. It was a tempting offer, as it is double my current salary, free room and board, and completely tax free. I'd have paid my debt off in a year.

But then I did my homework and found out that at the slightest sign of queerness they'd terminate me and my employer could seize my passport to essentially put me into indentured servitude. Don't live there. Don't work there. Don't even visit on business unless you work for a big multinational who they don't want to piss off, and there is literally no one else in the company that can go. Don't even connect flights in their airport.

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Post by CCMAC » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:26 pm

Momar wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:03 am
http://www.advocate.com/politics/transg ... ting-women
Just when you thought Dubai wasn't a shitty fucking place to visit, two transwomen were kicked out of a club in Dubai for having 'M' on their passports. Then when they complained to the police, they were arrested and had their passports seized for "imitating women."

Oh, and they'll be charged again if they go out on the streets, and they can't return home until their trial is over. It starts in March.
Yeah, Dubai is one of those places where the only obscenely rich assholes are welcome. Seriously, Never go to Dubai.

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Post by BackgroundPony (?) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:37 pm

Seriously guys, I was joking about this.

http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/law ... n-oklahoma

I just. I don't even. I can't stop laughing.

Oklahoma. Great state, or the greatest state?

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Post by CCMAC » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:46 pm

BackgroundPony wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:37 pm
Seriously guys, I was joking about this.

http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/law ... n-oklahoma

I just. I don't even. I can't stop laughing.

Oklahoma. Great state, or the greatest state?
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Post by Snowfire (?) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:23 pm

Momar wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:03 am
http://www.advocate.com/politics/transg ... ting-women
Just when you thought Dubai wasn't a shitty fucking place to visit, two transwomen were kicked out of a club in Dubai for having 'M' on their passports. Then when they complained to the police, they were arrested and had their passports seized for "imitating women."

Oh, and they'll be charged again if they go out on the streets, and they can't return home until their trial is over. It starts in March.
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BackgroundPony wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:37 pm
Seriously guys, I was joking about this.

http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/law ... n-oklahoma

I just. I don't even. I can't stop laughing.

Oklahoma. Great state, or the greatest state?
I'm having a hard time coming up with a response to this. I mean, this is both petty and hilarious! At the same time! :gotcha:
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Post by Snowfire (?) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:57 pm

BackgroundPony wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:37 pm
Seriously guys, I was joking about this.

http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/law ... n-oklahoma

I just. I don't even. I can't stop laughing.

Oklahoma. Great state, or the greatest state?
"Oklahoma: where we are so against gay marriage that we will put an end to ALL marriage."

I don't know if Oklahoma or Texas is better. A Texas school district recently told the family of a student who was getting bullied for being Buddhist that maybe the family should stop being Buddhist so that the student would stop getting bullied.

Sometimes I wish the Supreme Court and the Constitution was a big stick, and you could smack whoever was in charge in those states on the nose and go "No! No!". Like they're a bad dog.
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Post by Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:00 am

So that's why they say gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage :v:

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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:06 am

[quote="Highbrow post_id=53564 time=1390712409 user_id=114]So that's why they say gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage :v:[/quote]
Republicans are going to destroy marriage! Tell the government to defend it by making being a Republican illegal. :smirk:
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Post by CorvusCaw (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:10 am

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Post by Factory Factory (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:30 am

Even if it goes anywhere, which it won't, it'll get smacked down lickity-split. Marriage is recognized as a human right under U.S. law, and while states have the power to regulate it, they don't have the power to ban it. Kinda like guns.
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Post by CCMAC » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:37 am

[quote="Factory post_id=53567 time=1390714229 user_id=54]Even if it goes anywhere, which it won't, it'll get smacked down lickity-split. Marriage is recognized as a human right under U.S. law, and while states have the power to regulate it, they don't have the power to ban it. Kinda like guns.[/quote]

It's like Jon Stewart wishing Donald Trump to run for President. "Please try and get this law passed. No one want's you to actually pass it, but we want to see you try."

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Post by BackgroundPony (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:46 am

[quote="Factory post_id=53567 time=1390714229 user_id=54]Even if it goes anywhere, which it won't, it'll get smacked down lickity-split. Marriage is recognized as a human right under U.S. law, and while states have the power to regulate it, they don't have the power to ban it. Kinda like guns.[/quote]

Oh, of course it won't go anywhere. Just the fact that one of my state lawmakers actually believes this enough to say it out loud and give an interview to the local news about it is amazing. The anti-marriage camp really has descended into self parody at this point.

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Post by ShieldedDiamond » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:57 am

BackgroundPony wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:37 pm
Seriously guys, I was joking about this.

http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/law ... n-oklahoma

I just. I don't even. I can't stop laughing.

Oklahoma. Great state, or the greatest state?
Well... I don't know how to respond to that. I mean just... what. :starity:

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Post by Momo (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:04 am

This turned into a parody of itself so gradually I didn't even notice. :starity:

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Post by Chaos Sonic (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:32 am

Republicans have officially jumped the shark.

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Post by Venusy (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:08 am

We do have to acknowledge that this is a subset of Republicans, not all of them. However, as shown here, that subset will cause the whole party to get less respect. You can be Republican and still be progressive - logically speaking, being politically conservative means that you want government to stay out of people's business, it's just that subset does not apply that in terms of gay marriage, women having control over their own bodies and other issues.

As an outsider looking in, I'm refraining from commenting on how large that subset would appear to be, because seeing the worst from that subset is the main thing I see from the whole party.

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Post by Snowfire (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:48 am

Venusy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:08 am
We do have to acknowledge that this is a subset of Republicans, not all of them. However, as shown here, that subset will cause the whole party to get less respect. You can be Republican and still be progressive - logically speaking, being politically conservative means that you want government to stay out of people's business, it's just that subset does not apply that in terms of gay marriage, women having control over their own bodies and other issues.

As an outsider looking in, I'm refraining from commenting on how large that subset would appear to be, because seeing the worst from that subset is the main thing I see from the whole party.
Gonna agree with Venusy here. Just because THESE Republicans are doing crazy shit, doesn't mean they ALL think this way.

I have a friend who identifies as Republican, and she DEFINITELY doesn't think or act like this.
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Post by Factory Factory (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:05 am

Metapolitichat warning.

Unfortunately, the way that congressional districts have been gerrymandered, you would be pretty accurate to say that all Republican members of Congress, or at least the House, are in fact part of this subset. The situations can be even worse in individual states, where politics tend to be even more polarized and single-party-dominated. Not just the legislature but the entire executive branch and even the state judiciary (in partisan election states) will be dominated by one party, except maybe a switch-hit governor here or there.

The structural problem this creates for Republicans is that, with no possible way they can be challenged from the left in many districts, the only way for new blood to come in is by somebody even further right to challenge in the primaries. With districts already arranged to pack the hardest-of-hardcore conservatives into the decision-making positions, these primary challenges tend more and more to succeed, driving the Republican elected representation to the right without significantly changing the demographics of Republicans themselves - Joe Conservative is just saying "Hey, an even better candidate! Democracy in action!" But taken over the past two decades, that's exactly the conservativism-creep that's led to where we are today - with a national party drifting towards extremes and fundamentalism seemingly in defiance of standard "race to the middle" game-theory politics.

In the short-term, it worked very well. Long term, you get stuff like banning all marriage to spite the gays floated seriously.
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Post by Fontra (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:48 pm

BackgroundPony wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:37 pm
Seriously guys, I was joking about this.

http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/law ... n-oklahoma

I just. I don't even. I can't stop laughing.

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Late on the draw, but goddamn, this is as scorched earth as you can get and shows you that the opponents are desperate.

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Post by Logicgate (?) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:20 pm

Well, you know how it is. Deny the validity of gay marriage and eventually you'll be denying the validity of ALL marriage.

It's a slippery slope. :smug:

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