Zack Morris Is Trash
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this show is amazing.
I watched this show as a kid, and I'm surprised how few episodes of this show I remember.
There's also the spin-off "A Very Special Episode..."
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Going back and watching a LOT of '90s sitcoms makes you realize just how problematic they were.
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I never watched "Saved by the Bell", but this character is an asshole
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to the point where Always Sunny in Philadelphia has to exist just to balance it out
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Also, I'm amazed at how many episodes there are of Zack causing a car accident.
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And we consumed all of that media and luckily all avoided being problematic ourselves!
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'modern human media of year x will seem at least slightly odd or cringey by the standards of year x+25' is a thoroughly tepid take at best
the actual problem is that people don't know how to ethically enjoy problematic things, or how to grow beyond having been unknowingly problematic
the actual problem is that people don't know how to ethically enjoy problematic things, or how to grow beyond having been unknowingly problematic
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I mean tbf there's probably a practical limit to the cringe horror you can take, I've never watched Sixteen Candles and at this point I don't think I ever will
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I like plenty of flawed/problematic stuff without feeling awful about it, I'm just concious of the problems it has and don't make excuses for them
And yeah there is a line for sure, which is up to the individual but at least to me it means there is shit I definitely never wanna consume or recommend at all because it crosses my personal line
And yeah there is a line for sure, which is up to the individual but at least to me it means there is shit I definitely never wanna consume or recommend at all because it crosses my personal line
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I don't remember a lot about the shows I loved as a kid, and with the way moral values have progressed since my adolescence, I dread rewatching my favourite shows.
Fresh Prince, Sabrina the Teenage witch, Kenan and Kel... ...What horrors await me if I go back?
Awww here it goes.
Fresh Prince, Sabrina the Teenage witch, Kenan and Kel... ...What horrors await me if I go back?
Awww here it goes.
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Fresh Prince is an interesting case; some of it has aged super well actually (the commentary on racism and such, for example), some of it has aged goofily badly (any time they mention some celebrity from the early 90s nobody remembers), some of it has aged badly through no fault of their own (any time they mention Bill Cosby for example ...) and some of it has aged badly because it was plain bad (the "no homo" style jokes, the at times really bad treatment of Uncle Phil being fat or the older daughter being spoiled and stupid, any time Will and Carlton want to date girls)
I've been watching it and it's a wild mix out of all of those things, and thus a really interesting time capsule of early 90s TV to me
I've been watching it and it's a wild mix out of all of those things, and thus a really interesting time capsule of early 90s TV to me
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Some jokes hold out well for no fault of the show's own.
Context: an evil person who tried to take over the world has been punished to live as a housecat. He's now accidentally taken a potion that makes him unduly ambitious and capitalistic.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vcfmq?start=1284
Context: an evil person who tried to take over the world has been punished to live as a housecat. He's now accidentally taken a potion that makes him unduly ambitious and capitalistic.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vcfmq?start=1284
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It's the same with older cartoons (blackface jokes, which continued to appear in anime long after they fell out of favor in the US), but it's to be expected regardless.
Watching more of these videos, I'm convinced Zack is a bully. We're supposed to LIKE this douche?
Watching more of these videos, I'm convinced Zack is a bully. We're supposed to LIKE this douche?
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The archetype of the lovable scamp who pulls all sorts of bullshit has aged really badly and I basically never liked it
"Character is a dick but at least an entertaining dick" only works if the character isn't framed as actually okay or justified
Zack never really learns anything, at most he learns these surface level lessons but he never modifies his behaviour so it feels like the show frames it as not actually THAT bad and yeaaah uh that's kinda shit
"Character is a dick but at least an entertaining dick" only works if the character isn't framed as actually okay or justified
Zack never really learns anything, at most he learns these surface level lessons but he never modifies his behaviour so it feels like the show frames it as not actually THAT bad and yeaaah uh that's kinda shit
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Adventures of Pete and Pete still holds up fairly well.
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Very controversial opinion, but the asshole character type is why I liked Beavis and Butthead but royally hated Daria. Beavis and Butthead were stupid funny (and you weren't supposed to be on their side), but I just found Daria boring. I'm not really on the side of a snarky gifted student who looks down on everyone. She's not so unique and special, she's just full of herself.
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I think the difference with "Beavis and Butt-Head" is that the show made it clear we were never supposed to root for them. Those two were dumbasses who got into stupid, dangerous, and illegal situations because they were dumb as rocks.
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I just find it hard to hate two guys who got trapped on a cheesy fake island in a mall for hours.
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Most of my memories of the ‘90s are bad. I’m still fond of a few video games, movies, and cartoons from that era, but otherwise I’d rather just forget about it. I can’t stand listening to any of the music I liked as a teenager. I used to be close to someone who loved ‘90s music, and I was kinda terrified they’d hate me if they ever got a good look at my music library, They found out I was a doofus anyway, when I tried to cheer them up by sending them a link to a video of a Nirvana concert and it turned out to be the one Kurt Cobain ODd at. Yes, I’m that oblivious
Also Saved by the Bell always seemed stupid and terrible but I was too old for it when it was new so er
Also Saved by the Bell always seemed stupid and terrible but I was too old for it when it was new so er
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Given I didn't grow up in the 90's, I was actually able to escape 95% of the "bad sitcoms" (or just "strange/problematic sitcoms") of that era. However, that has only made things weirder for me whenever I watch videos about the 90's, as I don't really have a complete grasp on what the time was like and how people were able to get away with some of the odd media presented at that time.
Then again, that's likely an issue with every decade. I have to wonder how well some of today's media will age.
Then again, that's likely an issue with every decade. I have to wonder how well some of today's media will age.
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On a long enough timeline, all media from every era will eventually turn into the equivalent of Song of the South. A couple hundred years from now, when everyone's living in a pacifist, communist, vegan society, people will be horrified by accurate, uncritical depictions of our own time, let alone what we found perversely amusing. Access to media from this period or earlier will probably be restricted to adults who have had their brains scanned and analyzed to determine that they can handle it. And their society will be grappling with moral issues we literally can't even imagine.
The only thing to do, really, is try to stay as far ahead of the trend as you can, so that people might at least give you a pass for that. Even then, not everyone will—and you need to make peace with that fact too. There's a grain of truth to that Kylo Ren quote about killing the past. Even Luke agreed with it to some extent; that's why he burned those books.
The only thing to do, really, is try to stay as far ahead of the trend as you can, so that people might at least give you a pass for that. Even then, not everyone will—and you need to make peace with that fact too. There's a grain of truth to that Kylo Ren quote about killing the past. Even Luke agreed with it to some extent; that's why he burned those books.
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Perhaps people will be nostalgic for the era in which people drove their own cars, often disobedient of the rules, in the same way we're nostalgic for the gun duels and lawless trail blazing of the old west. The names of renowned street racers will become idolised and embellished by future historians until Initial D is brought from fiction into myth. The image of someone racing in their manually piloted petroleum burning car will become so ubiquitous with this era that the future will imagine the streets of the 00s as filled with japanese tuning cars, the same way we imagine the ports of the 1800s as filled with pirates.
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A wasteland of dial up internet and phones with no video things.
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I actually hope that part of the future's enlightenment will be the ability to reconcile themselves to the flaws of the past. Not erase or condone, but reconcile and realize that we were just flawed beings (as they probably still are) and that many of us tried to do our best by our own lights.Pocket wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:55 pmOn a long enough timeline, all media from every era will eventually turn into the equivalent of Song of the South. A couple hundred years from now, when everyone's living in a pacifist, communist, vegan society, people will be horrified by accurate, uncritical depictions of our own time, let alone what we found perversely amusing. Access to media from this period or earlier will probably be restricted to adults who have had their brains scanned and analyzed to determine that they can handle it. And their society will be grappling with moral issues we literally can't even imagine.
The only thing to do, really, is try to stay as far ahead of the trend as you can, so that people might at least give you a pass for that. Even then, not everyone will—and you need to make peace with that fact too. There's a grain of truth to that Kylo Ren quote about killing the past. Even Luke agreed with it to some extent; that's why he burned those books.
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Step one is to never feel bad about anything ever.
Way ahead of ya.
Way ahead of ya.
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that's actually literally the exact opposite of step one to reconciliation but you do you i guess
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I hope when I'm older society will have progressed to the point where I'm that family member no one likes at the garden food party. Probably because I insist on burning some coals and putting meat on it like we did back in my day. Or maybe because I insist on manually piloting my motorcycle even though computer car thingers have been statistically proven to be safer.
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Guy who makes these videos is going to be a writer on the reboot with Governor Zack Morris.
And Zack Morris is still trash.
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Zack's back, and still trash.
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"The gang has an emotional reaction to this sad news. Zack does not. He's a sociopath."