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AMA U.S. history

Post by CorvusCaw (?) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:43 am

:cooliebelle: I have my master's degree now so I feel like an expert.
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Post by Factory Factory (?) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:19 am

Just one question:

:gonkity: Why?
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Post by Bigdog (?) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:29 am

how did the builders of the transcontinental railroad deal with giant ponies on the tracks

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New new deal when?

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Post by Blarghalt (?) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:23 pm

How come that king from that one place that one time done did done what he did? :ponder:

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Why exactly should we remember the Alamo? :ponder:
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:14 pm

You brought up William Henry Harrison in another thread. Did he do anything consequential during the one month he was president, aside from being the first to die in office?

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Factory Factory wrote:
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Just one question:

:gonkity: Why?

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Do you think Presi-King Thomas Edison still would've been forced to lead his mechanized infantry into battle against the Celts even if Robin Hood, Billy the Kid, Geronimo and Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus had succeeded in their assassination attempt on Queen Medb?

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Post by Perrydotto (?) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:10 pm

tell me a random neat fact about Utah that I can impress my in-laws with
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Post by Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:49 pm

Could you please rank the top 3 U.S. Presidents as measured in unarmed combat prowess
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Perrydotto wrote:
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tell me a random neat fact about Utah that I can impress my in-laws with
Utah gave women the right to vote very early during their territorial period (1870). Ostensibly, this was done because they needed married white women to help counterbalance the votes of male Mexican and Chinese miners who had moved into the state. There was an argument made that giving these women the vote would lead to the elimination of polygamy... but that didn't happen; this was used by anti-suffragists in the 1890s to argue that votes for women would not improve society. Congress also passed a bill in the 1880s that required Utah undo women's suffrage as a condition of applying for statehood; Utah women did not have their right to vote restored until 1896.
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Mechanical Ape wrote:
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Could you please rank the top 3 U.S. Presidents as measured in unarmed combat prowess
Are you basing this on their physical condition during their presidency, or at the peak of their physical prowess before presidency?
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W.T. Fits wrote:
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Do you think Presi-King Thomas Edison still would've been forced to lead his mechanized infantry into battle against the Celts even if Robin Hood, Billy the Kid, Geronimo and Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus had succeeded in their assassination attempt on Queen Medb?
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Blarghalt wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:23 pm
How come that king from that one place that one time done did done what he did? :ponder:
Factory Factory wrote:
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Just one question:

:gonkity: Why?
Either because Jesus or because gold, or because Jesus and gold.
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Bigdog wrote:
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how did the builders of the transcontinental railroad deal with giant ponies on the tracks
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Post by CorvusCaw (?) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:42 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:14 am
New new deal when?
In 1933, FDR's party controlled 60 Senate seats and over 300 House seats, so you'd need something like that... which won't happen due to the rural-to-urban migration that has increasingly concentrated Senate power in conservative states and the use of partisan gerrymandering in the House.
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Post by Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pm

CorvusCaw wrote:
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Are you basing this on their physical condition during their presidency, or at the peak of their physical prowess before presidency?
At whatever stage in their life was their fighting prime.
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Post by W.T. Fits (?) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:25 pm

CorvusCaw wrote:
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You watch too much Doctor Who
I can't actually remember the last time I watched Doctor Who. :-I

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Post by CorvusCaw (?) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:
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At whatever stage in their life was their fighting prime.
Hmm... with weapons is easier, but unarmed combat is an entirely different topic. Jackson and Washington, for example, had a lot of military experience, but neither seems quite as intimidating without a sword, a gun or a cane.

#1 Theodore Roosevelt would be at the top; he was always tough and he ran a judo club in the White House.
#2 Chester A. Arthur... over 6 feet tall and surprisingly robust. Even at a young age he engaged in fistfights with students who supported Democrats.
#3 William Howard Taft... a wrestling champion in college.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am

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Hmm... with weapons is easier, but unarmed combat is an entirely different topic. Jackson and Washington, for example, had a lot of military experience, but neither seems quite as intimidating without a sword, a gun or a cane.

#1 Theodore Roosevelt would be at the top; he was always tough and he ran a judo club in the White House.
#2 Chester A. Arthur... over 6 feet tall and surprisingly robust. Even at a young age he engaged in fistfights with students who supported Democrats.
#3 William Howard Taft... a wrestling champion in college.
Where would Gerald Ford come in, given he was a football star?

Also, which president was it who beat the ever-loving shit out of a would-be assassin with a cane?

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Post by Octavia (?) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:45 pm

What's the coolest thing that ALMOST happened in US History?
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Post by Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:23 pm

Lincoln was also a bit of a wrestler in his day, but I can’t dispute Teddy mopping the floor with everyone else.
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Post by Perrydotto (?) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:26 pm

thanks for the Utah fact! hopefully it will sufficiently impress the inlaws
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Post by Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:28 pm

What’s up with the Bill of Rights being added later? Was there any defensible reason not to enumerate these rights from the start?
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who the heck was william b ide all I know is his house is here in my town
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W.T. Fits wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:09 pm
Do you think Presi-King Thomas Edison still would've been forced to lead his mechanized infantry into battle against the Celts even if Robin Hood, Billy the Kid, Geronimo and Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus had succeeded in their assassination attempt on Queen Medb?
Pretty sure the singularity would have been resolved before he had a chance to mobilize in this case, Fits. :-I
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What's up with all this cheese???
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Mr. Big wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am
Where would Gerald Ford come in, given he was a football star?

Also, which president was it who beat the ever-loving shit out of a would-be assassin with a cane?
I don't consider playing offensive line to be analogous to a background in wrestling or boxing. when it comes to unarmed combat.

You're thinking of Andrew Jackson; however the degree to which he beat his would-be assassin was greatly exaggerated after the fact, as part of the lionization effort which surrounded Jackson's popularity as the "common man's president"
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Gloomy Rube wrote:
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who the heck was william b ide all I know is his house is here in my town
one of the leaders of the Bear Flag Revolt.
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Mechanical Ape wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:28 pm
What’s up with the Bill of Rights being added later? Was there any defensible reason not to enumerate these rights from the start?
Federalists felt that those rights were already implied strongly enough and would be protected by individual citizens and the individual states, so there was no need to encode them in written federal law.
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Octavia wrote:
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What's the coolest thing that ALMOST happened in US History?
There's a lot, but the one I think of right off is Henry A. Wallace almost becoming president but being replaced by Truman at the 1944 Democratic convention due to backdoor machinations...
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:12 am

Oh, this has been bugging me for a while because nobody else knows the answer, and I couldn't find it myself. This is an election ad from 1950s:



Who does "Bob" refer to? Eisenhower's running mate was Richard Nixon.

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Post by Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:37 am

Mr. Big wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:12 am
Who does "Bob" refer to? Eisenhower's running mate was Richard Nixon.
The comments on the video note that it's misdated: the ad was from the 1952 election, when Adlai Stevenson's running mate was John J. Sparkman ("Adlai and John" wouldn't have made sense in 1956, when it was Adlai and Estes Kefauver).

Based on that, I'm guessing "Bob" was Robert A. Taft (son of William Howard), Ike's bitter rival in the Republican primary.
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Mechanical Ape wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:37 am
The comments on the video note that it's misdated: the ad was from the 1952 election, when Adlai Stevenson's running mate was John J. Sparkman ("Adlai and John" wouldn't have made sense in 1956, when it was Adlai and Estes Kefauver).

Based on that, I'm guessing "Bob" was Robert A. Taft (son of William Howard), Ike's bitter rival in the Republican primary.
Correct. Optics-wise, it was damn near impossible to say anything negative about the war hero Eisenhower in 1952... so this ad pivoted to Taft, who was the most powerful Republican Senator but really unpopular in some parts of the country. Eisenhower had shied away from politics prior to 1952 and was practically dragged into campaigning for president out of a sense of national duty, so the concept of the ad was that Taft would be pulling his strings. Think of how recent attack ads against Democrats in the 2018 election focused more on Pelosi and Schumer than the actual candidates, and blow that up to a presidential level.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:44 am

Ah, now I get it. Thanks, Ape and Corpy! :party:

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