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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:21 pm

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FIIIIIIGHT :twonk:
I am willing to go to the extremes of a shitty karaoke duel to defend my honor

how about you West Filly


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what song shall we sing

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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:23 pm

(it's caught somewhere in time)
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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:27 pm

I'm pretty sure I'd give up various internal organs to see that song played live
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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:27 pm

alas, it ain't happenin' so that's why I ship Sunlight
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what song shall we sing
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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:31 pm

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I'm pretty sure I'd give up various internal organs to see that song played live
Actually I think I'd happily die on the spot if it meant hearing that song live once so
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Post by West Filly (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:32 pm

I actually have a "go to" song for karaoke nights. It's relevant, too.

I Believe In A Thing Called Love - The Darkness
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Post by Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:33 pm

oh I know

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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 pm

there's actually a karaoke night coming up in a week at the local


let's do this



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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:39 pm

wait hell I forgot this is the shipping thread again


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post more sunlight
sunny days are over.

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sunny days is another patterns song btw
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Post by West Filly (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:06 pm

I heard the official tuna arc was canned.
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Post by Octavia (?) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:16 pm

West Filly wrote:
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I actually have a "go to" song for karaoke nights. It's relevant, too.

I Believe In A Thing Called Love - The Darkness
You have a much higher range than I. I'd have to falsetto that entire song. :nngh:

I learned long ago to never attempt a karaoke song that goes above my vocal range for extended periods of time, so as much as I love Queen and Journey, they are no-gos. I stick with Billy Joel, Depeche Mode, Pink Floyd, and other stuff that's not quite as high. My go-to is probably the theme to Greatest American Hero because it's right in the middle of my range. The first time I sang that one live, the karaoke host said "there's no way you're old enough to know that song." :modesty:
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Post by Factory Factory (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:16 am

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Hey, so, as I see it this one's really damn on-the-line in terms of acceptability, enough to where I don't think I can just let it slide. Between the way they're styled and the way they're lying together, I'm pretty sure this isn't something you'd want your boss or your grandmother to see you looking at.
I accept mod judgement but I thought it was an homage to Tonya Chalkin's The Kiss and other images from the same shoot and thought that was neat.

I did pause on it, and I guess I should've paid more attention to that. Sorry, everyone.
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Post by Jill (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:29 am

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lmao that pic even has pubic hair on it what the fuck


how did that get the okay


cos it's furry and furry is always a-okay??
because the character in question isn't female

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Post by Jill (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:01 am

specifically because a woman displaying some form of nudity or sexuality (read: a butt) is far less socially acceptable and can't be written off as something comedic like say, the entirety of I.R. Baboon can. it's just automatically going into that "shit, it's the male gaze again" bin

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Post by !saak (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:33 pm

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I accept mod judgement but I thought it was an homage to Tonya Chalkin's The Kiss and other images from the same shoot and thought that was neat.

I did pause on it, and I guess I should've paid more attention to that. Sorry, everyone.
no worries :)

tbf I associate almost any art of a character lying on bedsheets facing the viewer with dakimakuras so The Kiss didn't even come to mind.

let's toss it in here and deconstruct it a bit more closely cuz it's Saturday and I got shit all to do until i need to catch my train in an hour so!!

(Preview edit: actually finishing this on the train, I swallowed a bug on the way, ama.)

(Preview edit 2: actually finishing this up on the train back home cuz it actually turned out way longer lol)

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I don't think the artist intention was to pay homage to The Kiss, if it was then Gay GlimGlam and Gay Horse Wizard's poses would more closely resemble the original. Also it'd be black and white.

Here's the original photo (overhead shot of two women on a bed in a state of undress kissing) in question for those unaware of it.

Now the biggest difference between the two (aside from one being horses and the other being human women) is how the pony pic explicitly involves the audience.
The two characters look like as if you, the viewer just walked in on them.

There's nothing wrong with expressing sexuality or showing skin, though straight up eroticism and full frontal nudity is prolly beyond the scope of this forum. The problem instead lies with the intent of the picture.

Pony pic shows fictional characters who by their inherent nature have no agency. Nor are they shown to have any agency in this context. The focus of the picture isn't Starlight and Glimmer sharing a moment, it's you the viewer walking in on them and them responding (consenting???) (jfc every time I say this I get a bad taste in my mouth).

The picture is objectifying, maybe even fetishizing their same-sex relationship. So as it stands it promotes harmful views and behaviour.

Now "The Kiss" is a photo involving two human beings also sharing an intimate moment. But they *do* have agency, consented to have their picture taken, modelled for it. The viewer has no implied say in what's unfolding.

(Of note is that the picture was taken in 2000 for an ad agency called queercompany to promote their business and the brief was to show queer affection in a landscape where there was very little and what there was remained p bad. I believe one of the women is bisexual.)

The picture is suggestive (more suggestive?) but everyone involved were aware of the nature of the shoot, signed model release contracts etc etc.

It would also become an iconic depiction of same-sex affection and sexuality.

(Hmm.. an actual homage would actually be pretty cool. I saw a Korrasami version and you know what it's just fucking rad to converge an iconic piece of work with one of the most famous same-sex relationships in animation.

maybe with pony you'd want to tone down the skin if you were to antropomorphize or humanize them cuz "spirit of the property" but otoh the original was blown up to massive billboard size in a public space which led to dozens of complaints from people and the homophobic parents of one of the models being v angry and now it's remembered for the impact it had. Plus similar depictions of oppo sex relationships are par for the course so I could prolly write a whole nother essay exploring this.

Anyway, it'd still be like combining world famous depiction of same-sex intimacy with the want to see said representation in a property that sorely lacks it; the end result saying "it could have the same impact as this!")

For the record I'd file he end of Korra in the same illustrious lineup as The Kiss

Representation yo :party:


Anyhow, though the two pictures appear to be similar there's some fundamental differences between the two in both intent and execution which ultimately make them end up on opposite sides of the spectrum.




Funny enough you ran a rarijack piece by me not too long ago that you thought was too much but looking back at it I'd be fine with posting it here

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They're ofc still fictional characters who have no agency, so the only thing we can go by is (implied) author's intent. The above picture is focused solely on the two characters and has no apparent fourth wall breaking. It's about, and only about, rarity and applejack being in love with each other.

I mean there's legs but there's like very little attention drawn to them. I guess AJ holding her like that kind of naturally brings out parallel and intersecting lines, but on the other hand the pose also serves to emphasize their connection and relationship.

Also their faces sit right on the upper, horizontal third line, and the rightmost, vertical third line. On a phone rn but I bet if I were to overlay the golden ratio on it it'd line up almost perfectly.

Also also they're outside, presumably on a front porch or something.

In short: good and cute pic of gays in love that's totally in the spirit of this thread yay!! :yay:

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Post by !saak (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:34 pm

Jill wrote:
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specifically because a woman displaying some form of nudity or sexuality (read: a butt) is far less socially acceptable and can't be written off as something comedic like say, the entirety of I.R. Baboon can. it's just automatically going into that "shit, it's the male gaze again" bin
also good and smart post

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Post by Daikatuna (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:31 pm

Both good posts.

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Post by Daikatuna (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:32 pm

Also, that's a really nice Rarijack pic. Do you have a source?

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Post by !saak (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:57 pm

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Post by Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:20 pm

!saak wrote:
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The two characters look like as if you, the viewer just walked in on them.
That's a part of it, but more of it is that in the startrix picture they have overtly arched backs, to emphasize the posteriors, and crossed legs, to create an impression of... let's call it "physical intimacy" and leave it at that. The forward legs also serve to create a line that can be read as my ape brain as a butt. Their stomachs are in full contact. It's also full-body shots meaning the center of the image is in the... "physical intimacy." All the kinetic energy of the composition leads toward it.

In Kiss their backs aren't particularly arched and their legs are straight down and their poses don't emphasize the booty. There is a tiny distance between them except for their mouths. The bottom of the image is the top of their legs. The image leads towards the titular kiss.

Starlight and Trixie aren't just looking at the viewer, their expressions add to the sexualization of and inclusion of the viewer in the piece. Starlight's eyes are wide open and her mouth agape, indicating shock, adding to the voyeuristic feel of having just walked in on them. Trixie, however, has them half-lidded in a term affectionately dubbed "bedroom eyes" and has a slight, subtle smirk, indicating some sort of acceptance of the viewer seeing this, if not a full invitation to join the moment. Both vulnerability and encouragement are expressed with their faces.

Meanwhile, the girls in Kiss have their eyes closed and are facing each other. They have no attention for the viewer. Though we can see the moment, we are not part of it and not allowed in.

Also the hooves together like that is totally unnatural for making out but grade-a lesbians-baiting-straight-men material while the Kiss girls are either using their arms to kiss harder or just letting the lay there.

tl;dr startrix pic is sexualized in its form and viewer-focused while Kiss is focused on the kiss and doesn't emphasize the forms of the women involved.

The rarijack picture falls more on the Kiss side to me, too. Though Rarity is in her undies, they're just stark black and undefined. Applejack's hands are on her posterior, sure, but not grabbing in any way that's trying to communicate that the ass was fat to me. Rarity's arms are draped on Applejack's shoulders and her legs tied to her stomach for balance. Applejack's chest is visible but nothing is putting emphasis on her breasts in particular. They both have their eyes closed and are grinning ear-to-ear, indicating this is something between them that the viewer is not part of. They're outdoors at evening, lighting suggesting the last rays of sun, which is fairly different from being on a bed in terms of sexhave. It's romantic and it's only sexual in as much as Rarity has no pants on.

If it were up to me I'd still say no just because visible panties is something I'd never be comfortable allowing, but this is about as un-lewd as visible panties can get for what it's worth.

Anyway that's artistic analysis with ofs, a confirmed dadaist.
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Post by West Filly (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:54 pm

My theory: it pushed a button and now we're trying to rationalise what the button is when, while some good points are raised, it's mostly just that "nope" feeling. We can lay down some general rules as to what would push that button, but some things that meet the criteria will probably not push it and some things that don't will still set it off.

It's art. It's not hard and fast.
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Post by Strangething (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:58 pm

So, which of these are good ships, and which are bad and wrong? :smirk:

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Post by West Filly (?) » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:00 pm

I'm not saying the ships are wrong but I just have no interest in anything made of the male characters who aren't big mac
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Post by The Ghost of Ember (?) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:21 am

my concern is when my employers HR department decides to get iffy, not when WASP prudishness is impinged upon. both kiss and pony lesbian bait kiss would probably ping on my HR departments radar, regardless of their relative artistic merit.
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Post by !saak (?) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:05 am

good shit @OFS
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My theory: it pushed a button and now we're trying to rationalise what the button is when, while some good points are raised, it's mostly just that "nope" feeling. We can lay down some general rules as to what would push that button, but some things that meet the criteria will probably not push it and some things that don't will still set it off.

It's art. It's not hard and fast.
I wasn't advocating like a blanket ban on stuff, only trying to deconstruct this particular image by comparing it to others :)
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my concern is when my employers HR department decides to get iffy, not when WASP prudishness is impinged upon. both kiss and pony lesbian bait kiss would probably ping on my HR departments radar, regardless of their relative artistic merit.
alright so, report it if you feel it trips the HR alarm, otherwise #shipping on broni is guaranteed p much clean if you wanna look at cute pics during work with no headache

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Post by Octavia (?) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:51 pm

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So, which of these are good ships, and which are bad and wrong? :smirk:

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Post by The Ghost of Ember (?) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:48 pm

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alright so, report it if you feel it trips the HR alarm, otherwise #shipping on broni is guaranteed p much clean if you wanna look at cute pics during work with no headache
tbh i was fine with it being behind a spoiler and i appreciated you spoiling it because it was questionable.

i just wanted to point out that some of our motives behind keeping things clean here aren't based on whether or not there's artistic merit.
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Post by !saak (?) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:16 pm

Thank you, I actually never once considered this perspective and its duly noted :)

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Re: [SHIPPING] ✮ ♥ WHAT IS GAY MAY NEVER DIE ♥ ✮

Post by PhoolCat (?) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:27 pm

It's me
I am the one who reported
I am the arbiter of good taste and neutrality

You all made very good points about it, and we all seem to agree even if we can't put our fingers on what exactly makes it over the line.
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:58 pm
So, which of these are good ships, and which are bad and wrong? :smirk:

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1) Good, but "It's not shipping if it's canon"
2) Bad, look how angry he is at the heteronormativity
3) Okay, Bad, because imo he's much older than her so it's a bit creepy - however, if he turns out to be her peer then fine, they have a lot in common
4) Excellent, 12/10
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Re: [SHIPPING] ✮ ♥ WHAT IS GAY MAY NEVER DIE ♥ ✮

Post by Daikatuna (?) » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:29 pm

tbh if i wasn't dedicated to my gimmick i'd use that rarijack for an avatar

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