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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:36 pm

the Zero Escape series is also darn good
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:47 pm

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Visual novels have extremely wide variety.

There are a lot of things in Dangan Ronpa for a fan of Phoenix Wright to like, but it's also very anime (TM) and has some other things I imagine could be offputting.

But a number of visual novels are not like that at all. I don't know your experiences/what you've tried, but there's probably something out there you might like.
I've seen a fair number of VNs or VN-like games, DR is just the latest one. The simple matter is I find them immensly boring to play or watch and a lot of it just comes down to the format. Staring at a static picture of a character staring either back at you or into the void while a textbox under them gives you a description or dialogue is a very unengaging experience and the characters never really feel like characters and it never really feels like they're emoting and it never really feels like you're reading/experiencing a story.

This is not helped how no matter what's happening in the text box the characters either come off as overly dramatic or unemotive.

I've also found a lot of VNs have overly wordy writing, in DR's case a lot of time is wasted on introducing the characters and their inane conversations amongst each other, even after Monokuma is introduced they spend a very long time reiterating how shocked they are.

Like Phoenix Wright isn't perfect and it has it's fare share of issues, but it's so far the only game of it's type where i didn't zone out completly or become bored. And i think a lot of it comes down to it really not being like other visual novels.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:51 pm

And i think with PW it helps that there character have little animations to make them "lively" and give them personality, the games break up the gameplay into investigation and courtroom scenes which both function differently so there's variety. The courtroom scenes build drama and tension fairly well in part thanks to the characters being animated and lively and this is further helped by the really good music that stops, starts or changes to give the scene a mood.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:04 pm

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I've seen a fair number of VNs or VN-like games, DR is just the latest one. The simple matter is I find them immensly boring to play or watch and a lot of it just comes down to the format. Staring at a static picture of a character staring either back at you or into the void while a textbox under them gives you a description or dialogue is a very unengaging experience and the characters never really feel like characters and it never really feels like they're emoting and it never really feels like you're reading/experiencing a story.

This is not helped how no matter what's happening in the text box the characters either come off as overly dramatic or unemotive.

I've also found a lot of VNs have overly wordy writing, in DR's case a lot of time is wasted on introducing the characters and their inane conversations amongst each other, even after Monokuma is introduced they spend a very long time reiterating how shocked they are.

Like Phoenix Wright isn't perfect and it has it's fare share of issues, but it's so far the only game of it's type where i didn't zone out completly or become bored. And i think a lot of it comes down to it really not being like other visual novels.
I agree with the above but I can't help myself so here goes: butts
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:05 pm

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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:09 pm

I feel like VNs tend to be worse books so it's kinda why I'm curious to see if there's any that really like, own


and a big part of that is that you're reading through wordy, meandering dialogue, usually laced with ellipses and pauses, delivered at a snail's pace of one text box at a time and it's in its own way an absolutely infuriating experience compared to a book where your reading pace is basically as fast as you can read the thing

I mentioned the visual aspect earlier; I feel like that's wasted on most VNs too since they still generally ask you to just "use your imagination lol" by just slapping generic character art with like five expressions and maybe a couple of extra poses if you're lucky on top of generic royalty free backgrounds. that's no better than a book, in fact it's worse since it destroys your ability to imagine the scene, the setting, the characters

I feel like VNs as a medium have potential, but it's a nut that's yet to be cracked, at least for me
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:15 pm

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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:17 pm

basically, all we need is the Citizen Kane of VNs
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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:18 pm

When Starswirl Academy was a thing, I remember digging into its files and finding that the characters were just their bodies with blank faces and a handful of facial expressions for each. I had swapped a few of anime human Twilight's faces for :-I and :twonk: since I felt like the anime human faces were a bit too same-y.

To be fair, Starswirl Academy was only in an early demo.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:18 pm

Also i feel i should be a black sheep here and say that unless you have played and like visual novels in general, don't play We Know The Devil.

The way it looks and functions is pretty similar to your average VN and it's visuals are also pretty static.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:23 pm

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Also i feel i should be a black sheep here and say that unless you have played and like visual novels in general, don't play We Know The Devil.

The way it looks and functions is pretty similar to your average VN and it's visuals are also pretty static.
also it costs money what the hell the library is full of free books
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:25 pm

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also it costs money what the hell the library is full of free books
There's an lp on the lp archive which is like a library. :v:

I'd honestly recommend it over playing the game because the dialogue is more readable due to the formatting the lp-er used.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:26 pm

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When Starswirl Academy was a thing, I remember digging into its files and finding that the characters were just their bodies with blank faces and a handful of facial expressions for each. I had swapped a few of anime human Twilight's faces for :-I and :twonk: since I felt like the anime human faces were a bit too same-y.

To be fair, Starswirl Academy was only in an early demo.
I think this is pretty common for VNs, as is the naked bodies thing - saves up space not having a bazillion variations and only overlaying shit on top of a shared base asset. at least for Ren'Py games it definitely is


that said I think Starswirl did it in a really stupid inefficient way that took up a bunch of space for no reason anyway, so lmao
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:27 pm

whatever happened to that anyway


I definitely made a thread to mock it when this forum was new, but well that was 2017 so huh, hmm
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Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:27 pm

And the game has some pretty messy and hard to read writing at times, so being able to scroll back up and reread a chunk of dialogue is a blessing.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:28 pm

RIP Syndrome wrote:
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whatever happened to that anyway


I definitely made a thread to mock it when this forum was new, but well that was 2017 so huh, hmm
Starswirl Academy? I think they abadnoned it and are now trying to see how much they can cash in on body pillows and stuff before everyone loses interest.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:30 pm

see, I remember that. that was in like 2017. i'm p sure they've abandoned the con circuit long ago and thanks to various circumstances since then I don't even remember where the site for that thing was so I'm like, did they ever even officially cancel it?
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:31 pm

wowee turns out you can just google starswirl academy and find it, in all its creepy anime glory
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Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:31 pm

nah, i think they never did

i wouldn't be surprised if they just silently dissapeared
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Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:31 pm

oh nevermind
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:32 pm

oh my god there is no fucking way

April 29, 2019
Development is ongoing.

We’ve had an influx of people hitting up our Discord server just to see what’s going on with Starswirl Academy. The long and short of it is this:

We’re still working on it. It’s very slow-going. Most of us are working one (or more) jobs that take up most of our time. We’re also dipping our toes in the water of creating a few things that we can actually sell to make some money. We’ll have more to announce soonish, but for now the best way to see what’s going on is to head over to our Discord server and not immediately ask when the game is coming out. ;P
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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:33 pm

it's a friggin VN it shouldn't take seven years of intense development to make jesus christ
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RIP Syndrome wrote:
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it's a friggin VN it shouldn't take seven years of intense development to make jesus christ
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Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:35 pm

people make vns for gamejams, for fucks's sake
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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:35 pm

it's been very nearly exactly two years after their cool coming soon demo/side story was just about to release with some technical issues holding it back, after one and a half years delay from the original release date


how. I don't understand anything anymore
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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:37 pm

RIP Syndrome wrote:
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see, I remember that. that was in like 2017.
February 2015 was the heyday of us mocking it. I know this because I dug deep in my Imgur account, past screenshots of ancient forums sagas and the earliest of my drawings, to retrieve these.
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*chef kiss*
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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:46 pm

that does it. i officially want to see Starswirl Academy be released now


it will shift paradigms. that's the only logical reason I can think of for it to have taken this long
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Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:46 pm

i am rooting for you, devs

i'm the biggest starswirl academy fan
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Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:07 pm

they'll do it

in 10 years
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Post by Pocket (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:33 pm

I mean, in the time it's taken them to not release a single VN, Klace has completed and released two.

If there's a more damning thing you could say about Starswirl Academy, I don't know what it is.
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Post by Princess Flufflebutt (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:40 pm

I had completely forgotten about Stawswirl Academy
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by Factory Factory (?) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:03 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:18 pm
When Starswirl Academy was a thing, I remember digging into its files and finding that the characters were just their bodies with blank faces and a handful of facial expressions for each. I had swapped a few of anime human Twilight's faces for :-I and :twonk: since I felt like the anime human faces were a bit too same-y.

To be fair, Starswirl Academy was only in an early demo.
I remember that! I stuck Spongebob and Squidward faces on not-Celestia's barbie doll huberts. I think I got probated for that.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by Fontra (?) » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:14 am

Princess Flufflebutt wrote:
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I had completely forgotten about Stawswirl Academy
Man I kinda wish they had finished it before we mocked the shit out of it. Now it ain't coming out and we have nothing to make fun of.

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Man I kinda wish they had finished it before we mocked the shit out of it. Now it ain't coming out and we have nothing to make fun of.
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Post by Fontra (?) » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:18 am

On that note regarding vidya, I'm actually finding I have way less tolerance for turn-based jrpg's that aren't also srpg's lately. In fact any sort of "slow" non-action game starts to grate on me really quickly as of late.

Either my ADD is getting worse or my love of Capcom and Platinum is ruining me.

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Post by Bigdog (?) » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:20 am

Fontra wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:18 am
On that note regarding vidya, I'm actually finding I have way less tolerance for turn-based jrpg's that aren't also srpg's lately. In fact any sort of "slow" non-action game starts to grate on me really quickly as of late.

Either my ADD is getting worse or my love of Capcom and Platinum is ruining me.

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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:38 am

i have a feeling i only like some very specific types of games

problem is i have no fucking idea what kind of games, so it's really a trial and error situation where i try something and see if i stick with it/have fun
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Post by DaikatunaRevengeance (?) » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:38 am

i apparently at some point lost interest in the 4X genre despite being a fan of it for a long time
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:38 am
i have a feeling i only like some very specific types of games

problem is i have no fucking idea what kind of games, so it's really a trial and error situation where i try something and see if i stick with it/have fun
I still like platformers, but otherwise I feel the same way

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