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Post by MochaBean (?) » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:44 am

Tokyo Godfathers is great. Very funny and heartwarming, and sentimental without being saccharine. It has some surprisingly heavy themes for an anime, but you'd expect no less from Satoshi Kon.

I really miss that guy. Along with Miyazaki, he was one of the few anime directors (in my opinion) who could create stuff with genuine emotional and philosophical depth.
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Post by Lazy (?) » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:30 am

Paprika's pretty neat too. Haven't seen the others.
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Post by capfalcon (?) » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:46 am

Although it was mentioned earlier as doing some pretty heavy stuff, Teen Titans is also hold the record for the only show to make me at laugh for a solid half hour. :gotcha:

I speak, of course, of "Episode 257-494 (a.k.a. Don't Touch That Dial)." The Titans follow their nemesis Control Freak into the TV land in order to... oh, who cares? It's a half hour of pop culture jokes and references, a battle in the land where its survival of the nerdiest.
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Post by diribigal (?) » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:50 pm

I imagine Avatar (the animation) was brought up in this thread. There's a spinoff/continuation type show called The Legend of Korra coming out semi-soon.
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The first episode (as a sort of preview) is legally available to those in the US here.
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Post by ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:24 pm

I'm not sure if it's as big in the states as it is here, but if any of you want to see another hilarious cartoon that also gives pretty good life lessons, you should check out DORAEMON: EL GATO COSMICO.
The plot is pretty simple. Doraemon, the titular space-cat from THE YEAR 5000 comes to Earth to help out a young kid, Nobita and teach him lessons with his magical pouch filled with all sorts of inventions from his era.
It's a Japanese cartoon that's been running on television since 1977 and is still going strong.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:38 pm

I remember "Doraemon" quite well. Used to watch it as a kid living in Japan.

It was revamped few years ago with new animation style and new voice cast.
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Post by ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:36 pm

Heh, we still have the same voice cast from the 70's here. The new episodes are playing on Boing almost every single day.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:57 am

On a whim, I've been looking at Hanna-Barbera. I've never been a fan of their stuff (make no mistake, they made alot of shitty cartoons), but there's no doubt that the early stuff has some charm.

One of their early hits was "Huckleberry Hound", which premiered in 1958. You may not believe it, but the show was a big hit when it came out. It was VERY popular with adults, and many newspaper articles published touted it when it aired. Hmmmm, that sounds familiar, right? :v:

I'll admit that I like "Top Cat". The voice acting is great, especially Arnold Stang, and the character dynamics were brilliant. It was one of the early prime-time cartoons, premiering after the success of "The Flintstones".

But in spite of the nostalgia, I can't really see myself as a huge fan of the studio. Most of their stuff were either bland or just plain unwatchable. I won't fault the studio for limited animation; it's a necessary evil, but I don't think that's an excuse. There are a ton of cheapo cartoons that I love, such as Bullwinkle, Pink Panther, and a certain show about colorful ponies.

But that's just what I think. What's your opinion on the studio's outputs?
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Post by ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:17 am

The first 3 seasons of The Flintstones are absolutely hilarious.
For some reason, I could never get into Scooby Doo or any of it's spinoffs. It just never clicked with me.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:51 am

Thanks, ROBOT B9. Now I have that stupid theme song in my head. They call him jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab Jabberjaw!

Although I think the true bottom-of-the-barrel is "Speed Buggy", about a talking dune-buggy (voiced by Mel Blanc) and a group of teenagers solving mysteries.

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Post by ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:14 am

Oh dear God. I remember watching that when it was on Boomerang.
What kind of a creative process did HB have to get that idea?

"Hey, those Herbie The Love Bug movies are a smash hit with the kids these days. Why don't we turn Herbie into a Dune Buggy, make him talk, get Mel Blanc to do an annoying voice and have Not-Shaggy, Not-Fred and Not-Daphine solve mysteries with him?"
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Post by Daionus The 23rd (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:22 am

When I was a kid, HB cartoons were among the cartoons I would only watch if there was literally nothing else on.
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Post by Opposing Farce (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:50 am

I was a big fan of Scooby-Doo for a while as a kid, but even from a young age I could kind of see the strings and to be honest I think I only liked it because I liked anything that was nominally about mysteries.

I tried watching stuff like The Flintstones or The Flintstones in Space from time to time, 'cause as a kid I figured "hey, it's old and really famous, so it must be good," but even at the time I think I found them really dull and not funny at all, even if I wasn't thinking critically enough to actually realize as much.
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Post by Ragnar (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:02 am

When I was little, my two passions in life were Sailor Moon and pretending I didn't love Sailor moon.

e: But I had like 20 hours of old cartoons on VHS tapes. Mostly Looney Tunes. I lead a charmed life.

e2: My excuse is that it's 2 in the morning. The closest I can get to being on topic is to say that I remember hating the plot to Scooby Doo. A million episodes, one plot. Several of the same lines. I don't know how I reconciled this with the way I felt about Sailor Moon, which is pretty much the same.
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Post by ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:31 am

Ragnar34 wrote:When I was little, my two passions in life were Sailor Moon and pretending I didn't love Sailor moon.


I grew up a little too late to catch the Sailor Moon boat so I watched Pokèmon instead. The best episode was the one where they had the Magikarp professor Quincy Q. Quackenpoker- an entire 22 minutes of a Groucho Marx impersonator being witty and doing cool things.
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Post by Aramek (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:24 pm

I haven't seen the show in years, but, when I was little, my favourite episodes were the Team Rocket heavy ones. James was my favourite character (and I can do a pretty passable impersonation as well) and their antics were always way more fun. I remember an episode that didn't even have the rest of them in it. Like, Team Rocket were waiting in a town or something waiting for Ash and co to show, and while waiting, they defended the town from attack and were hailed as heroes. They hated it.

Or when we found out about James' wealthy family.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:52 pm

Here's another Scooby-Doo knock off, "The Funky Phantom". It had a ghost of a patriot from Revolutionary War (who talks like Snagglepuss) and his cat. Nothing notable except that it was the first show Hanna-Barbera made at their facility in Sydney, Australia.

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Post by ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:21 pm

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!
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Post by Headless Horse (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:40 pm

ENDUT!
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Post by Opposing Farce (?) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:45 pm

Man, Scooby-Doo must have made fuckin' bank for all of the spin-offs and incredibly thinly-veiled knock-offs they made based on it. At some point it almost starts to seem like self-parody.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:00 pm

To those who grew up in the '80s/'90s, do you remember watching "Count Duckula"? It's a British show produced by Cosgrove-Hall. It aired on ITV (in UK) and Nickelodeon (in US).

I never grew up with it, but it's enjoyable from what I've seen. The layouts are great, and I just love the character designs.


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Post by VoodooTiki (?) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:32 am

YES!
One of my all-time favorites, very clever writing and terrific voice acting. They even parodied Fawlty Towers in one ep! My sister and I still quote it at each other.
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Post by kefkafloyd (?) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:33 pm

Loved both Duckula and Danger Mouse, though Danger Mouse had a lot of limited animation that I never noticed as a kid, but now as an adult... :nngh:

David Jason does both the voices of Danger Mouse and Duckula. Dude's got range.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:28 pm

Oh yeah, Danger Mouse is pretty cool, even with the cheap animation.

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Post by Momar (?) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:49 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:WHAT THE FUNK WAS THAT?!

Fixed that for you.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:20 am

Anyone remember "Super Chicken"? It was part of "George of the Jungle", but I think this was the funniest part of the show:






And here's a little obscure show from the same producers that made it. "Hoppity Hooper" followed the same cliffhanger format as "Rocky and Bullwinkle". However the gags had to be toned down because the sponsors explicitly said that this show had to be aimed at children. Nontheless, it's still very funny, and the voice acting is superb. Here are the first four episodes.




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Post by Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:38 am

Looks like the genesis of the Nelvana Droopnose.
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Post by VoodooTiki (?) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:35 am

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That is a design quirk that always freaked me out a little.
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Post by Nissl (?) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:22 am

I enjoyed watching those shows, Mr. Big. I hope you'll post that Crusader Rabbit you PMed me on here too. That's not something you'd exactly recommend, but it was fascinating.

Anyway, I just checked out two anime shows that were getting a lot of hype before the season. Both won awards as manga titles last year.

Kids on the Slope/Sakamichi no Apollon brings back together the director and composer from Cowboy Bebop to tell a story of a 1960's high school student who moves to a new school in distant Kyushu and discovers the wonders of jazz. I never thought I'd want to watch high school students learning and growing together, but I'm pretty sure this is going to be the one to do it despite a few cliches. Beautifully done so far.



Legal stream on CrunchyRoll begins next week for non-subscribers.

Space Brothers/Uchuu Kyoudai tells a story of two brothers, both with a dream of going to space, the older one always bested by the younger one. Nice characters, some pretty funny bits. Apparently they will eventually get a pug into space.

Trailers and legal stream (watch ads or subscribe) on CrunchyRoll.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:33 pm

Since Nissl brought it up, I guess I'll post "Crusader Rabbit".

"Crusader" has the distinct honor of being the first cartoon made exclusively for television. Production began in 1948-49, but it didn't debut on television until August 1, 1950, on a Los Angeles TV station. Ultimately it was syndicated to over 200 stations. It was supposed to be shown on a network, but NBC decided to syndicate it to their affiliates instead.

It was created and produced by Jay Ward and Alex Anderson through their Television Arts Productions studio in Berkeley, California. Since neither men had experience in television at the time they signed with TV executive Jerry Fairbanks to represent them. The cartoons were produced with extremely low budget. There were barely any animation, relying instead on the voice tracks and beautifully drawn stills to tell the story.

Voices were Lucille Bliss as Crusader (she would later voice Smurfette and the teacher in "Invader Zim"), Vern Louden as Rags Tiger, and Roy Whaley as the narrator.

Things got a bit ugly, however. Ward and Alexander fought suit against Fairbanks over who owns the rights to the show. As it turns out Fairbanks sold it to an executive named Shull Bonsall. He owned an animation studio called TV Spots and decided to produce new episodes of "Crusader" in color through it. Bonsall intimidated Ward and Anderson into selling their studio to him, and any and all rights to the Rabbit.

Thus the color episodes were made in 1957. All the voices stayed except Lucille Bliss, who was replaced by GeGe Pearson. Here's the sad story of what Bonsall did to Lucille Bliss's career.

Alex Anderson decided he had enough of animation and went to work in advertising; he died in 2010 at the age of 90. Jay Ward, however, decided not to give up and sold a little show called "Rocky and Bullwinkle"; the rest is history.

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1950 SERIES
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1957 SERIES
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Post by ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:24 pm

Cool, I've always liked reading about animation history (I've got several biographies of Walt Disney, something about that man facinates me...)

It's not a cartoon & has nothing to do with ponies but I got to recommend that everyone watchs The Phil Silvers Show at least once in their life. (The best episode is the "Harry Speakup" one.)
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Post by Pocket (?) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:56 am

I look at those pictures of Crusader Rabbit and all I can think of is that green rabbit that's on those stupid new Hallmark cards and has a voice like a South Park character.
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Post by stonecutter (?) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:36 pm

Don't know where exactly this should go, so I'll post it here.

The cast from Spongebob Squarepants redub scenes from 'Casablanca', 'Singin' In the Rain', and 'The Godfather'.

Reminds me a lot of Fractured Flickers or Mad Movies. :ohboy:
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Post by Daionus The 23rd (?) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:44 pm

Then you might also like this:
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Post by Nissl (?) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:03 am

I don't *think* I've seen this. I checked out Ruby Gloom after a seeing a tweet from a father hoping it would be the methadone for his daughter's pony heroin. Pretty good, one of the best animated shows for girls I've seen. Apparently it's an adaptation from a goth-targeted clothing line, with the result being Addams family for pre-teens. Given all the jokes about death, though, I would say the audience skews a bit older than pony.



The animation is nice if occasionally stiff, the art is stylized and nicely consistent with some really cool backgrounds. The staff is having a bit of fun with the setting, and like pony there's a remarkably high level of slapstick. The main character is likable and has a good level of energy to carry the whole thing, and her cat and the crazy raven who live in the house are both entertaining. If there's a weakness to the show, it's that the other kids don't have that much to them. Misery is the depressed, luckless punching bag, and hearing a monotone "ow" out of her to finish jokes gets old pretty fast. Same with the athletic cyclops girl; I probably saw more depth perception jokes in the few episodes I watched than all of Futurama. And like virtually every kid's show, there doesn't seem to be much of a broader setting, progression, or real backstory to these characters. Still, it's a reasonably engaging watch.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:37 pm

Anyone checked out "Gravity Falls" on Disney? The first episode is on iTunes for free.

Anyway, I loved it. Even though it's on Disney the style and content is much more in-tune to Cartoon Network shows. The creator worked on "Flapjack" and it shows.
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Post by Bobinator (?) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:01 pm

I know this is a show from 2004 and all, but it's such a good show in my opinion, that I'd say it totally belongs here. Anybody remember the Duck Dodgers reboot? I honestly thought it was a really entertaining show, and probably the closest thing we'll ever get to a modern Animaniacs. (Don't even get me started on the Looney Toons Show, all that basically is is a sitcom in fursuits.) The major difference is that there's actually something resembling an antagonist, instead of the whole "This guy is douche, so let's annoy him as much as possible" thing they did in Animaniacs. Not a very competent antagonist, mind you, but still.

Oh yeah, they did an episode entirely about making fun of Samurai Jack, starting at 9:23 of this video.


With a guest role by the actual guy who made Samurai Jack. Not sure how that works.
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Post by Aramek (?) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:38 pm

The fact they got Sir Thomas John Woodward to do the theme song, in my mind, firmly cements it as my favourite cartoon into.
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Post by BartonFink (?) » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:27 pm

Aramek wrote:The fact they got Sir Thomas John Woodward to do the theme song, in my mind, firmly cements it as my favourite cartoon into.

Not only that, but arranged by The Flaming Lips. This deserves an audio aide.


Of the various Looney Tune reboots, I thought Duck Dodgers was one of the better ones (though I haven't seen it since originally watching it when it came out).
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:55 pm

Does anyone remember "Oggy and the Cockroaches"?

It's basically a modern take on chase cartoons (Tom and Jerry, Sylvester and Tweety, Herman and Katnip, etc.). Oggy is a fat blue cat who is constantly bombarded by three sadistic cockroaches, Joey, Marky, and DeeDee. It's very slapstick heavy, and all the gags are visual since none of the characters talk (except gibberish).

It's a French cartoon, but, again, no dialogues. Because no dubbing is necessary it was exported everywhere.

1st season aired in 1998 with 78 cartoons (26 half-hours). Another 78 (26 half-hours) were made for season 2 in 1999. After that it laid dormant until its revival in 2008 when additional 39 cartoons (13 half-hours) were made. It was revived again when it was announced that more episodes will be made this year for the international market.

The first season aired in USA on Fox Kids back in 1998. In 1999 they moved to Fox Family, before it became ABC Family. I also saw it in Japan on their Cartoon Network station, which also aired season 2, which never made it to the 'States.





I think what makes this one of the better chase cartoons is that there's no clear "good guys" vs "bad guys". Both Oggy and the cockroaches suffer as much slapstick equally, and they can be winners or losers in the end. Sometimes neither wins.
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