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(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:22 am

Kanthulhu wrote:
Hi.

How do you know CommM is a town player?

Do you like selectively ignore posts by players that don't support your case? Read my VERY NEXT POST.

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:24 am

lison wrote:
Do you like selectively ignore posts by players that don't support your case? Read my VERY NEXT POST.

Um, lison that post is before your post. :-I

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:25 am

Kanthulhu wrote:I don't like the tone on Lison's posts. He seems to be pretty sure of stuff. Like that I'm scum(1) or that CommM is town (quoted above).

(1):

From what I read so far I'm picking Lison for scum.

##unvote
##vote Lison

I'm pretty sure your scum because *regurgitates all past arguments*

This doesn't even make sense, why would I case a dude i'm not sure is scum? Am I supposed to preface all my cases with "WELL THERE EXISTS A POSSIBILITY THAT I AM WRONG IN THIS GAME BASED ON READS AND OPINIONS, BUT,"?

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:26 am

lison wrote:
Do you like selectively ignore posts by players that don't support your case? Read my VERY NEXT POST.

lison wrote:Looking back it seems the commander m also claimed third party. My bad. Still, thats an enemy of the scum they would ordinarily be unable to get rid of dead.

He even explicitly mentions it so its not like he missed that he was condemning commander m to death.

This is awful. I'm scummy because I condemned a third party player to death? Because third party players are enimies of the scum?

Are even being serious here because to me it sounds like you are trying your hardest to frame me using the most ridiculous arguments ever.

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:29 am

Kanthulhu wrote:
This is awful.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:30 am

lison wrote:This doesn't even make sense, why would I case a dude i'm not sure is scum? Am I supposed to preface all my cases with "WELL THERE EXISTS A POSSIBILITY THAT I AM WRONG IN THIS GAME BASED ON READS AND OPINIONS, BUT,"?

What.

I said you seem to be pretty sure of me being scum. I don't care what you preface your posts with, it's your tone that matters.

I don't think you are town because townies aren't so sure someone is scum on day 1.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:30 am

Grilox wrote:

<3

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:31 am

Kant, your argument is "HE'S SCUM BECAUSE IF HE WASN'T HOW WOULD HE BE SURE I'M SCUM???? :twonk:

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So are you claiming he's bussing you?

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:32 am

Grilox wrote:
Um, lison that post is before your post.

The very next post I posted after the post he referencing where I call commander m a bulletproof townie. The first line is "Oh whoops, apparently commander m claimed third party. Well, whatever". Or something like that. And he is ignoring context anyway because scum aren't going to kill commander m if he is scum, and my point was he used his action with full knowledge that he was rendering a potential enemy of the scum defenseless.

Because, you know, hes aloud to assume commander m is scum to justify his action but I'm not aloud to assume commander m is town to case based on it.

fake edit: Bluh, I was going through all his posts in order and now I am speaking against these recent posts and getting all messy. Ugh my route is ruined!!!!

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:32 am

Lison was even SUPER SURE CommM was town and only realised CommM claimed third party later.

Think about it people. Which players can assume other people are town without paying close attention to the thread?

(?) · by **blasmeister** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:32 am

( That would be the best argument :allears:

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(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:33 am

Kanthulhu wrote:Lison was even SUPER SURE CommM was town and only realised CommM claimed third party later.

Think about it people. Which players can assume other people are town without paying close attention to the thread?

The ones who notice that CommanderM claimed BP lightning rod?

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:33 am

Grilox wrote:Kant, your argument is "HE'S SCUM BECAUSE IF HE WASN'T HOW WOULD HE BE SURE I'M SCUM???? "

So are you claiming he's bussing you?

No, that's not my case. Not even close.

It's the tone that he's using. It's not just what he's saying but how he's saying it.

I will repeat it. Town players usually don't sound so sure of themselves day 1. And for one simple reason: town players start the game uninformed.

What sets the scum apart from the town? Scum are the informed minority. That's why the TONE that Lison is using is scummy rather than townie.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:34 am

Grilox wrote:
The ones who notice that CommanderM claimed BP lightning rod?

What does that have anything to do with making a person townie?

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:34 am

Kanthulhu wrote:
What.

I said you seem to be pretty sure of me being scum. I don't care what you preface your posts with, it's your tone that matters.

I don't think you are town because townies aren't so sure someone is scum on day 1.

lison wrote:This doesn't even make sense, why would I case a dude i'm not sure is scum? Am I supposed to preface all my cases with "WELL THERE EXISTS A POSSIBILITY THAT I AM WRONG IN THIS GAME BASED ON READS AND OPINIONS, BUT,"?

Man you know your case sucks when I can respond to a point with the same thing the point was supposed to counter...

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:35 am

Kanthulhu wrote:
No, that's not my case. Not even close.

It's the tone that he's using. It's not just what he's saying but how he's saying it.

I will repeat it. Town players usually don't sound so sure of themselves day 1. And for one simple reason: town players start the game uninformed.

What sets the scum apart from the town? Scum are the informed minority. That's why the TONE that Lison is using is scummy rather than townie.

And scum players are sure of themselves when they mus you, is what you're saying?

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:35 am

Kanthulhu wrote:
What does that have anything to do with making a person townie?

BP Lightning rod doesn't really scream "scum" to me.

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:36 am

Hey before I got bogged down in your dumb tone arguement I was going through your posts, I'm going back to doing that ok, wouldn't want to miss a huge scumslip or something.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:36 am

lison wrote:
The very next post I posted after the post he referencing where I call commander m a bulletproof townie. The first line is "Oh whoops, apparently commander m claimed third party. Well, whatever". Or something like that. And he is ignoring context anyway because scum aren't going to kill commander m if he is scum, and my point was he used his action with full knowledge that he was rendering a potential enemy of the scum defenseless.

Because, you know, hes aloud to assume commander m is scum to justify his action but I'm not aloud to assume commander m is town to case based on it.

fake edit: Bluh, I was going through all his posts in order and now I am speaking against these recent posts and getting all messy. Ugh my route is ruined!!!!

Go reread me. I called CommM third party from pretty much my first post. You are making a mess of what I said and distorcing things as much as possible to make the facts fit your case on me.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 am

Grilox wrote:
BP Lightning rod doesn't really scream "scum" to me.

Why would you believe what someone claims on a mafia game?

Gee. Am I from an alien planet or something? My thought processes really seem incredibly hard for you guys to understand.

(?) · by **Xavier Genisi** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:38 am

Kanth, do you hate Cookie Dough ice cream?

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:39 am

Xavier Genisi wrote:Kanth, do you hate Cookie Dough ice cream?

Never had any.

(?) · by **pzeper** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:39 am

Hey you know who's never had Cookie Dough ice cream? Members of the EVIL NINJA EMPIRE!

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:40 am

I'm from Brazil. We usually have tropical fruit flavored ice cream around here. Or at least that's what I prefer myself.

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:41 am

Kanthulhu wrote:Uh, I'm not going to respond to individual comments on my actions because there are a ton of things people are saying about me.

However I can tell you guys my motivations for using the cube day 1:

1) I had a cool power and I wanted to use it as fast as possible.

Good reasoning this isn't at all like a random dayvig no sir!

2) I wanted to try to stop or at least cut down in size the amount of jokevotes and jokeposts on this thread.

Ok, There isn't actually anything bad about the joke phase tho??

3) If I was going to give a "free" unblockable nightkill for the scum I'd rather have it be on the first night rather than later on. Because the less players we have on the game more likely it is for the scum to hit the cop or for the cop to hit the scum (because of less players on the game).

Thats great, except you didn't do this in vaccum, you did this when a bulletproof had claimed and now he can be killed for free. But oops, since we don't know if hes town FOR SURE its 100% townie my bad.

Also you didn't actually say anything about setting back all information roles an entire night !

(?) · by **Xavier Genisi** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:42 am

pzeper wrote:Hey you know who's never had Cookie Dough ice cream? Members of the EVIL NINJA EMPIRE!

No, members of the Evil Ninja Empire hate all forms of Cookie Dough ice cream, replacing them with strange flavors such as mushroom and beef.

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:44 am

Oh also i'm forgetting re: that last point: "If i'm going to give scum a free kill it's better to do it now" completely ignores that you could just not use your power

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:45 am

lison wrote:Also you didn't actually say anything about setting back all information roles an entire night !

Oh no, the information roles!!! If only we had another way to get information on a mafia game...

lison wrote:Thats great, except you didn't do this in vaccum, you did this when a bulletproof had claimed and now he can be killed for free. But oops, since we don't know if hes town FOR SURE its 100% townie my bad.

He's not town. Are you still trying to get me to look scummy for making the life of a third party player harder? Gee.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:46 am

lison wrote:Oh also i'm forgetting re: that last point: "If i'm going to give scum a free kill it's better to do it now" completely ignores that you could just not use your power

I wanted to use it because it was a cool power. Is your case that any player that uses a power because it's cool is scum?

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:47 am

Kanthulhu wrote:I wanted to use it because it was a cool power. Is your case that any player that uses a power because it's cool is scum?

That wouldn't be so bad a case since yours is "You're scum because you know I'm scum"

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:49 am

Grilox wrote:
That wouldn't be so bad a case since yours is "You're scum because you know I'm scum"

That's not my case.

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:50 am

Kanthulhu wrote:

I will repeat it. Town players usually don't sound so sure of themselves day 1. And for one simple reason: town players start the game uninformed.

What sets the scum apart from the town? Scum are the informed minority. That's why the TONE that Lison is using is scummy rather than townie.

Yes it is.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:52 am

Grilox wrote:
Yes it is.

The keyword is tone. Town don't usually use that tone because they are unsure of other people's alignment. When players use that tone they are usually scum because scum don't start the game nearly as confused as town players.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:52 am

It's the tone, Grilox, the tone. It's the melody, not the lyrics.

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:55 am

Kanthulhu wrote:
2) I didn't set anyone back a day at all.

All information roles have to wait another day before getting information. This is literally the definition of being set back a day.

3) It's only pro-scum if you assume town has better role powers than scum. Why are concluding this and/or assuming this game is unbalanced in favor town?

Two things:
1) The Town has more power roles then the scum.

2) You don't understand game balance because the sides are not on equal footing even before power roles are introduced. In a game with no vanillas, then town will ALWAYS have the power role advantage, but the sides are not unbalanced by this because the town doesn't know who to use their powers on by default like the scum do.

For instance, it could be the case that this set up is, in fact, balanced in favor of scum power roles and by taking everyone powers for one day I'm actually helping the town.

We can't conclude either way without seeing the setup doc though.

No, with no knowledge of the roles, math wins out in the end, and math says you disabled ~18-20 town/third party roles vs ~5-7 scum ones.

fake edit: Is your case you should get away scot-free with using a scummy as fuck power just because ~~~you wanted too~~~? Well I have a counterpoint, I want to lynch you. now roll over and get lynched.

(?) · by **Grilox** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:55 am

Also I never sound ~unsure~ as town when I make my cases because there's no point in doing so. Only as scum do I pay that much attention to everything I do enough to try to have an ~unsure tone~ :-/

(?) · by **Mister Pithers** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:55 am

Okay CommanderM, did you straight up claim 3rd party of were you just joking? I personally thought he was joking around.

(?) · by **lison** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:57 am

Kanthulhu wrote:
There are town power roles that hinder town or confuse town rather being clearly helpful. Have you seen the setup doc?

No but you haven't either. Also there exists the possibility that people with hindering town power roles won't use their role, unlike you.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:57 am

Grilox wrote:Also I never sound ~unsure~ as town when I make my cases because there's no point in doing so. Only as scum do I pay that much attention to everything I do enough to try to have an ~unsure tone~

You think town pay less attention than scum to the game? I find it's actually the opposite.

(?) · by **Kanthulhu** (?) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:58 am

lison wrote:
No but you haven't either. Also there exists the possibility that people with hindering town power roles won't use their role, unlike you.

Millers? Insane Cops? Restless Townies?

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