Wired article on 80s vs modern cartoons
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/06/pl_column_toons/
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Kraps wrote:It's mostly about how the trifecta of MLP/G.I. Joe/Transformers (and others) were of bad enough quality that the shows were just the framework for kids to make their own stories with the toys, and this may be the one drawback of today's admittedly excellent high-quality reboots.


Probably would have made more sense.Bag of Magic Food wrote:I thought the point would have been that making the show too good makes viewers so attached to it that they won't accept any toys that aren't exactly like the show, making them harder to sell.



Lazy wrote:I don't really think that worse plots are significantly easier to imagine new stuff for, or that it was like that on purpose.


Or they might spend all that time outside thinking about their favorite shows or what their plan is for the next time they get their hands on that Game Boy, as well as wondering why in this horrible world they must go to the boring place instead.SlateSlabrock wrote:Forcing children to turn off the TV and the GameBoy and go outside will do more for their creative development than any show.


But maybe all this is doing the kids a disservice. The toons are totally engaging, but they’re consumption-only transactions—no action-figuring needed.
But maybe all this is doing the kids a disservice. The toons are totally engaging, but they’re consumption-only transactions—no action-figuring needed.
Bag of Magic Food wrote:Which 80s cartoons are you talking about though? If we're still on just the Hasbro toy ones, I know My Little Pony 'n' Friends was just as action-oriented as the guy shows most of the time, and while I haven't seen much of Jem, I've heard it was pretty well-written for a cartoon about jealous girl bands.
Frith wrote:I meant Hasbro cartoons. I also admit that "women like tea parties" sentence was exaggerated.
The thing i wanted to say in my previous post was that the claim, that children should rather watch "crappy" 80s cartoons than excellent remakes because children 80s cartoons made kids more creative, is absurd. TV's role is not to make kids more creative, but rather to provide the best possible entertaiment.


Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:I wonder if there's anyone studying this MLP phenomenon that thinks that they can reproduce the level of fan intensity -
putting in variables A-B-C-D into a box (character mix, art style), pressing a button and suddenly 3500 are attending a fan convention.
I suppose the best and most consistent thing any animation team can do is create something of quality and hope your audience catches on.


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Frith wrote:And guns i learned to love during my conscription time.


Pocket wrote:Makes me wonder if new viewers will still be able to appreciate this show in another decade or so, or if it'll end up being one of those things that establishes the new norm and ends up looking bland and trite compared to the shows that follow in its footsteps.
"We can't all ride the Ferris wheel!"




Headless Horse wrote: But for some reason I doubt that the people working on G1 and G3 seriously thought those shows were "the best they could be".







(But then again they're rebooting Spider-Man already and citing the limitations of early-2000s filmmaking technology and stunt work as the main reason, so what the hell do I know.)
but holy jeepus, what a run.
What could they spend all that money on?
Well, those diamonds you'll see on screen aren't free!
Do you have any idea how much it costs to rent a moon?
And extras! Lots and lots of extras!



Mr. Big wrote:Lauren Faust once wrote that "Quest for Camelot" was the worst thing she ever worked on, saying that everyone who worked on it knew it was going to be a failure.
Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:
bullSHIT! that's a minor hiatus, not a reboot. And they spent $300 mil in 2007 on Spidey 3. What could they possibly be missing out on?
Oh and it looks like a third Iron Man is coming out. I think Marvel is running out of bankable propertiesbut holy jeepus, what a run.




Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:I wonder if there's anyone studying this MLP phenomenon that thinks that they can reproduce the level of fan intensity -
putting in variables A-B-C-D into a box (character mix, art style), pressing a button and suddenly 3500 are attending a fan convention.

Headless Horse wrote:To some extent there's the possibility that we're all gung-ho about FiM because we're too close to it, that the old shows look wonky to us because our standards have changed. But for some reason I doubt that the people working on G1 and G3 seriously thought those shows were "the best they could be". They were acutely aware of the budget and technical constraints they were under and that the standard of kids' entertainment writing was not exactly high art. They probably would have made those shows a hundred times better if they'd had the means. Whereas I believe the people working on FiM are genuinely proud of it and think there's very little they could improve about it even if they had a much bigger budget.
Nissl wrote:I don't think I would have been damaged if Thundercats had been better written and taken place in a more developed world. But then I was never much of an artist tempermentally.
I would be really interested to see what happened if someone did another sincere animated comedy with a trippy, large, consistent fantasy world, moderate character progression and large ensemble cast, and stripped out the "girly" parts. You wouldn't get the same phenomenon because it probably wouldn't have the same care put into it, people are already watching MLP, it wouldn't have such a well-recognized brand, etc. But I bet you would pick up plenty of geek followers if the quality was decent.
Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:I wonder if there's anyone studying this MLP phenomenon that thinks that they can reproduce the level of fan intensity - putting in variables A-B-C-D into a box (character mix, art style), pressing a button and suddenly 3500 are attending a fan convention.
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