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Post by Isaak (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:07 am

Since I live in Europe I try to do my livestreams at a manageable hour for both Americans, Europeans and myself. 11PM in US central is... 4-5 o'clock in the morning here and I draw the line at 11:00 PM for sleeping purposes.
(Good Lord timezones are confusing)

Keying out characters/backgrounds in Photoshop can be done in several ways. One of them is simply erasing everything you don't want with the eraser. Recommended if you want a good way to get diagnosed with insanity.
A far better method is using the Quick Select Tool (shortcut W, it shares its place with the Magic Want) and drag over the area you want. It works much like a brush: dragging over additional areas will add it to the selection, holding down Alt while dragging will remove parts of your selection. The cursor will change from a '+' to a '-' if you hold Alt.
I like using a tablet for this as it's the most practical and intuitive, but a mouse works almost as well.

You can make the brush smaller with '[' and bigger with ']' for different areas.
If you use the mouse you can change the cursor from scrolling to zooming in the Preferences menu, which is really handy. You can also use 'ctrl+' to zoom in and 'ctrl-' to zoom out.
Certain keyboards (some Logitech and Microsoft ones) have a specific switch for zooming in/out which works in Photoshop. Ooh, hold space while dragging and you can pan over the canvas when zoomed in.

After having the selection you like, click 'Refine Edge' near the top left. You can further edit your selection here.

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This is ultra handy. You can view your selection on a black or white background, as an overlay, in black and white and more.
You can smooth your selection and clear any harsh angles, clamp down or widen the edge using 'Shift Edge' aaaaaand you can output your selection to a new layer with the selection as a layer mask. Which is awesome.

Having your selection on a new layer and masked allows you to fine tune it with the paint brush (B).

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Select the layer mask and brush over the areas you don't want with a black brush. Since you're working on the mask Photoshop will interpret the black colour as "No, I don't want this". With white you can tell what parts you do want.
With 'X' you can switch between these two colours on the fly. That's the shortcut for switching between foreground and background colours. You can also switch between them on the bottom of the tools panel with the arrow icon.

Since the mask is on a new layer and the original one is still intact, you can turn toggle its visibility if you think you're missing certain parts.

OOOOOOOORRR...

You can get transparent vectors over at MLP-Vectorclub if you need something quick. But it doesn't have every pose of every pony ever.
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Post by reidransom (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:12 pm

I was really looking for more a way that didn't involve deconstructing it frame by frame in photoshop. That stuff I can already do. Thought there might be a more elegant and rather more automated solution built in to another component.
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Post by Momar (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:20 pm

Isaak wrote:You can get transparent vectors over at MLP-Vectorclub if you need something quick. But it doesn't have every pose of every pony ever.

You are the best person ever for linking this. :awesomedash:
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Post by Isaak (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:21 pm

Excuse me, you said "dick around" so I assumed you weren't that familiar with the program and went all out with the tutorial thingy.
Though, there is an even faster and automated way of doing this, but it involves After Effects.

Now before I go off on another tangent, how familiar are you with AE?

Momar wrote:You are the best person ever for linking this. :awesomedash:

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Post by reidransom (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:39 pm

Isaak wrote:Excuse me, you said "dick around" so I assumed you weren't that familiar with the program and went all out with the tutorial thingy.
Though, there is an even faster and automated way of doing this, but it involves After Effects.

Now before I go off on another tangent, how familiar are you with AE?

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Apologies for my part on the confusion there.

My familiarity with AE is zero. Photoshop is really the only part of the suite that I know comfortably; I can limp around in Illustrator, InDesign, and Premiere, and the others I have probably never even opened.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:25 pm

Alright, post coming up which will serve as an intro to AE and the Rotobrush!
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Post by reidransom (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:04 pm

Thanks! :yay:

I really do appreciate your help.
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Post by Lhet (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:33 pm

Isaak wrote:As for my editing machine (affectionately called Big Rig):

    W7 x64
    Core 2 Quad Q9550 @2,83 Ghz
    8 Gb DDR2
    ATI Radeon 4870 1Gb
    2 Terabyte in RAID 0

It's not the bleeding edge, but I can run Vegas, After Effects and Photoshop at the same time which reeeaaallly helps my workflow.


One thing I'd instantly suggest is bumping up your RAM. Two things to remember with RAM: Windows, and other things you have open, will take a flat amount of RAM (min 1GB, often 2 or 3); RAM tends to be an binary component (either you're capped or not). This basically means that adding 4GB is much more than a 50% effective increase for a single active process, and after crossing the 'capped' threshold things will just go a lot smoother.

My machine is the following, pretty happy with my it.
    W7 x64
    i5-2500k 3.3ghz quad core
    GTX 260
    12GB ram
    90GB solid state

Also, thanks for posting this, I'm learning quite a bit.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:54 pm

After Effects: The Roto Brush

(Note: I’m still pretty new to AE myself, so I don’t know eeeverything... yet!)

Love Like Fluttershy contained 80 frames of animation rotoscoped directly from the show. Each frame took around 15 minutes edit. This puts the total time spend on those 80 frames around 1200 minutes. This is 20 hours.

While it was fun at first, it was 20 hours. The results look great, but it was 20 hours. I have a huge creative drive... but it was 20 hours...

However, after the release of Love, and specifically the making of, I was directed towards the warm and inviting glow of a program called After Effects and its very special feature called The Rotobrush. Having little experience with the program I nevertheless set out to use it for Shine Like Rarity.

I’ve since then repeatedly cried tears of joy. For After Effects is awesome and we are truly blessed with its mere existence.

Ahem. I’ve come to refer to AE as ‘Photoshop for moving images’ and it has features familiar to Photoshop users like Layers, Effects, a brush panel and the like. Though there are of course key differences.
It’s a motion graphics & compositing program and allows you to alter video footage in a nigh infinite number of ways. It’s a beast of a thing and... daunting. So I’m not going make you and myself anxious with the sheer number of possibilities. No, instead I shall lead you through one special functionality:

The Rotobrush. It’s brush which allows you to rotoscope an object out of the frame, much how you can mask an object in Photoshop using Quick Select. There’s just one difference and I’ll keep you curious for now.

Note: I highly recommend using a tablet for this.

First: prepare the footage you’d like to use.
Cut the footage you want from your video source and render it in its native resolution and framerate. Preferably without audio, since you’re not going to need it right now.
After Effects will eat a lot of footage, though for this particular purpose I recommend uncompressed AVI.

Open After Effects.

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Immediately you’ll be presented with a dialogue. Great news! You don’t need it!
Click it away and look up your rendered video.

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Locate your video and drag and drop it in the projects panel on the left. Your footage is now part of the project. It’s now also a good time to save.

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Now your project is only the collection of different assets you’re using. These can be video, audio, image sequences, still images and the like. What you need to do now is make a composition out of the video you’ve just added. Click on the video in your projects panel and drop it over the filmreel icon

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After dropping it you’ll see your video in the composition window and a timeline below. Notice the the length of the timeline is the amount of frames of your video, in this case 18.

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Double click on the composition, this will open it up in an editable layer.

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You are now ready to Rotobrush.
Located near the top, under the W of Window sits the greatest tool since the invention of fire.
Click it and your cursor will change to a green circle. Handy tip: go to Windows and select the Brushes option, this will open up the Brushes panel on your right.

“Sweet Jesus, it’s just like Photoshop...” I said as I tried this for the first time.

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Start dragging over the area you want, you’re now leaving a green trail.

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Now I’ve got an area I don’t want. Did I mention this was like Photoshop? Hold alt while drawing and your cursor turns red, meaning you can remove sections from your selection.

Tip: if you want to change the size of your brush, do not press ‘[‘ or ‘]’. These are keyboard shortcuts for going to the beginning and end of your composition. I scared myself many times with my Photoshop muscle memory...
Instead, hold down control and drag up or down to change the size of your brush. Or use the Brush panel you’ve opened.

Continue selecting the area you want to have and when you’re finished, go back to your composition view and watch how the background is now gone!

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Additionally you can switch between several viewmodes in the Layers view.

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Go to the next frame using either the playback controls on the right or page-down. Page-up is the shortcut for the previous frame

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SWEET JESUS! THE SELECTION IS ALREADY THERE! This is the part which had me crying tears of joy. :awesomedash:
This is the difference I mentioned earlier.
Rotobrush is a smart sonuvabitch and it remembers what you’ve selected. Granted it’ll take some additional editing, but the bulk is already done.

Edit your selection where necessary and repeat the last few steps until you have your entire sequence ready.

Next up, the Effects panel. It’s located in place of your Projects panel, now that you have your rotobrush selected.

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Here you can edit your existing selection. Increasing smooth will make the angles less harsh.
With choke you can clamp down your edges or make them wider.

Since you’re going for an image sequence later on Reid I recommend having a smooth selection with Choke dialled to the negative. You can fine-tune it later on in Photoshop.
Rotobrush can be a pain when working with artifacted footage like I’m for this demo (I'm an idiot), so if you are, use similar settings.
Play with them until you have something that looks good overall.

Toggle ‘refine matte’ for more options.

Motion blur isn’t recommended when dealing with the crispness of FiM animation, so keep that unchecked.
Decontamination may be of interest, since it ‘decontaminates’ the edges of any colour that doesn’t belong. You can view the area of effect by checking the box in the bottom and finetune that with the settings above.

After having something you’re happy with it’s time to render this!
Go back to your Projects Panel, select your composition and hit ctrl-m. Alternatively, go to Composition above and click ‘Make Movie'.

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This will open the render panel where your timeline sits.

Here you have a couple of render options, what we’re going to do first is change the type of file we’re going to render. Click on ‘Lossless’ next to ‘output module’.

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You’re now able to tell AE what kind of file you’d like your composition to render as.

Click on the top dropdown menu and select your format of choice. Ooh, Image Sequences!

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Select the file format you'd like. For instance an image sequence (jpeg, png, photoshop, targa etc). If you want to have more control over the quality, select Format Options in the Video Output section.
Not touching on the rest right now.

Exit the window when you’re ready.

Hit the text next to ‘Output To’ to tell AE where you want your file to be rendered. This will open up a window where you can select the folder and change the name.

After that’s done. Hit render!

Et voila, you’ve just rotoscoped something and you can now further edit it in Photoshop.

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Phew, that was a bit of a write. Let me know if I've missed anything or if something's unclear :)
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Post by Isaak (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:02 pm

Lhet wrote:One thing I'd instantly suggest is bumping up your RAM. Two things to remember with RAM: Windows, and other things you have open, will take a flat amount of RAM (min 1GB, often 2 or 3); RAM tends to be an binary component (either you're capped or not). This basically means that adding 4GB is much more than a 50% effective increase for a single active process, and after crossing the 'capped' threshold things will just go a lot smoother.

I found the limit of my machine when livestreaming last sunday. I'm definitely going to upgrade it now that I'm starting to put it through its paces.
GPU is fine for now, so RAM is top priority.

Do you have any recommendations?

e: well, poop! It seems my GA-EP35-DS4 mobo only supports up to 8 gigabytes :ohrarity:

Also, thanks for posting this, I'm learning quite a bit.

:yay:
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Post by ozone (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:04 pm

Oh boy, an AE rotobrush tutorial, now I won't have to idiotically stumble around AE's weird interface. This is really awesome Isaak, thank you. :pinkietoot:

Also, on a completely unrelated note, the Alix Perez - Melanie video you have on your channel is on the top of the DnB subreddit. Get out of my internet. :ohgawd:
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Post by reidransom (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:32 pm

Isaak wrote:
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Phew, that was a bit of a write. Let me know if I've missed anything or if something's unclear :)


:ohboy:

That was tremendous. Exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. Thank you!

Now to finish making room for 5.5 so I can get cracking on it with my woefully-underpowered-for-the-task machine.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:39 pm

ozone wrote:Oh boy, an AE rotobrush tutorial, now I won't have to idiotically stumble around AE's weird interface. This is really awesome Isaak, thank you. :pinkietoot:

I think I'm past the 'Huh?' threshold and things are starting to make sense now. Took me a good two-three weeks of on and off editing, but my goal of getting the basics of AE has been reached.
I'm now comfortable working with the interface, which means I can start looking at some advanced things to use in future projects...

Oooooohhh...

Also, on a completely unrelated note, the Alix Perez - Melanie video you have on your channel is on the top of the DnB subreddit. Get out of my internet. :ohgawd:

Oh, I'm sorry :fluttersmith:

reidransom wrote: :ohboy:

That was tremendous. Exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. Thank you!

Now to finish making room for 5.5 so I can get cracking on it with my woefully-underpowered-for-the-task machine.

Eeee, you're welcome :yay:
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Post by ozone (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:49 pm

Isaak wrote:Oh, I'm sorry :fluttersmith:

No need to be sorry, it's just a funny coincidence is all.
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Post by Momar (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:51 pm

Hey, I have After Effects! :awesomedash:

You've just made those tall-order GIFs a hell of a lot easier.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:05 pm

ozone wrote:No need to be sorry, it's just a funny coincidence is all.

Hmm, maybe after After Effects I'm going to work on my jokes... I'm a bad comedian :facehoof:

Momar wrote:Hey, I have After Effects! :awesomedash:

You've just made those tall-order GIFs a hell of a lot easier.

You'll need CS5 or up though :)
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Post by reidransom (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:10 am

Oh man After Effects is so awesome and I don't even know what I'm doing apart from what you showed me up there. Now if I can only muster up the effort and time to actually make something.
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Post by Lhet (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:28 am

Thanks a lot for that rotobrush tutorial. It's an amazing tool.
Made this to test it out. Took like 15 minutes, but most of that was figuring out the interface. Probably 2-3 minutes of actual brushing.
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(Random sidenote, it's painfully obvious that different people work on the interface for each adobe product, controls are not standardized at all)
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Post by Isaak (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:18 am

Ooh, that's crisp. What kind of footage are you using? Now that I'm editing the footage itself it's becoming painfully clear I need a different source. Or I need to reconvert everything...

Adobe probably has a separate team for its video editing software, its image editing software, its audio software etcetera.
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Post by Maple Leaf (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:30 pm

Hey Isaak, are you taking suggestions for Applejack/Spike's music? 'cuz I got a pair you might be interested in if it's not too early.
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Post by reidransom (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:48 pm

Isaak wrote:Ooh, that's crisp. What kind of footage are you using? Now that I'm editing the footage itself it's becoming painfully clear I need a different source. Or I need to reconvert everything...


I'm kinda coming up against the same problem, and there's no way my machine can handle a really HQ source. So I'm just gonna blur everything a bit. Seems to help.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:56 pm

Maple Leaf wrote:Hey Isaak, are you taking suggestions for Applejack/Spike's music? 'cuz I got a pair you might be interested in if it's not too early.

It's still a ways off and I have something in mind, but I'm open for anything at this point.
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Post by Lhet (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:58 pm

I meant specifically different teams for After Effects and Premiere. The navigation is different enough that I can't imagine the same people designing it.
For samples I use 720p downloaded from Youtube. 1080p can get a bit laggy, especially with effects or multiple layers going on. I shrunk that image to half size and removed duplicate frames, which might make it seem extra crisp.
Also, how do you deal with exporting specific scenes? I had to step through to find the beginning and endtimes for my clip, then set those as the duration for the export, but it would be amazing if there was some sort of composition thing where you could drag a clip to it, edit it, and continue adding clips to the composition before exporting as a batch.
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Post by Isaak (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:16 pm

Lhet wrote:I meant specifically different teams for After Effects and Premiere. The navigation is different enough that I can't imagine the same people designing it.

Ah, I have little experience with Premiere. What experience I do have consists of me crashing the program, three times, in a row. Simply by trying stuff.

For samples I use 720p downloaded from Youtube. 1080p can get a bit laggy, especially with effects or multiple layers going on. I shrunk that image to half size and removed duplicate frames, which might make it seem extra crisp.

I don't use it for gif making, though since I'm resizing a lot of assets in Vegas anyway that's a helpful tip.

Also, how do you deal with exporting specific scenes? I had to step through to find the beginning and endtimes for my clip, then set those as the duration for the export, but it would be amazing if there was some sort of composition thing where you could drag a clip to it, edit it, and continue adding clips to the composition before exporting as a batch.

Is this in AE? Because what I do is I export a specific part I want to edit from Vegas and edit it from there.

If not I'm pretty sure you can have multiple (video) files in a single composition. How exactly... I'm not sure though.
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Post by Maple Leaf (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:52 pm

Isaak wrote:It's still a ways off and I have something in mind, but I'm open for anything at this point.


The song for Applejack is called A Yodeler In Texas by Canblaster (the video says it's by Hi-G, but they're both pseudonyms for the same guy). This video was just the best example of it I could find and I have a cleaner, higher-quality version of it if you'd like.

The one for Spike is called Maslo by Vospi, a Russian techno artist. It might be a little subdued for his character but I still think it fits him fairly well.
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Post by Concerned Reader (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:15 pm

Maple Leaf wrote:
The song for Applejack is called A Yodeler In Texas by Canblaster (the video says it's by Hi-G, but they're both pseudonyms for the same guy). This video was just the best example of it I could find and I have a cleaner, higher-quality version of it if you'd like.

The one for Spike is called Maslo by Vospi, a Russian techno artist. It might be a little subdued for his character but I still think it fits him fairly well.


Personally I like something like this for Spike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBGtyshn ... rofilepage
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Post by Lhet (?) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:16 am

Isaak wrote:Is this in AE? Because what I do is I export a specific part I want to edit from Vegas and edit it from there.

If not I'm pretty sure you can have multiple (video) files in a single composition. How exactly... I'm not sure though.

Yeah, was talking about AE, but I guess what I'm talking about only pops up with premiere interaction.
Basically you can load an entire premiere composition (which looks like http://i.imgur.com/gLjUE.jpg) in AE. It sounds pretty amazing, but right now I can't figure a way to do the import/export quickly.

e. Found it. It's really finicky though.
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Post by Dr.Dinosaur (?) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:24 pm

Dear Isaak,
:dearcelestia:
I was just linked to this thread recently after commenting about how much I liked your stuff in the IRC and that you and I should have video editing chats.
Then I learned that all of this is you experimenting with your editing software. It might be why you have a style that's pretty unique, I love it!

20 Hours cutting out character frames? Yup I been there. Cursing on skype to anyone who would listen about how well animated these blasted ponies were.

This blog you have up here is an awesome example of fan creativity and a really cool look into your process. I really like how you break down the song into segments and plan your video that way. That's very cool and something I might start doing as well.

Anywho, looking forward to this rarity video! and hope I can chat further with you in the future!
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Post by Momar (?) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:06 pm

Because he's too modest to admit it himself, Dr. D was responsible for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srUyAIjCdo
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Post by Isaak (?) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:30 pm

Momar wrote:Because he's too modest to admit it himself, Dr. D was responsible for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srUyAIjCdo

You fo' real? :starity:
Dr.Dinosaur wrote:Dear Isaak,
:dearcelestia:
I was just linked to this thread recently after commenting about how much I liked your stuff in the IRC and that you and I should have video editing chats.
Then I learned that all of this is you experimenting with your editing software. It might be why you have a style that's pretty unique, I love it!

:yay:
20 Hours cutting out character frames? Yup I been there. Cursing on skype to anyone who would listen about how well animated these blasted ponies were.

I hope my Rotobrush tutorial helped you out then.
This blog you have up here is an awesome example of fan creativity and a really cool look into your process. I really like how you break down the song into segments and plan your video that way. That's very cool and something I might start doing as well.

That's something which has evolved over time, it's been getting more involved lately with some basic storyboarding because that was necessary. For another, future project I've actually written a script which may or may not go somewhere.
Anywho, looking forward to this rarity video! and hope I can chat further with you in the future!

Sure! I've got Skype and GTalk, throw me a message :)


Lhet wrote:Yeah, was talking about AE, but I guess what I'm talking about only pops up with premiere interaction.
Basically you can load an entire premiere composition (which looks like http://i.imgur.com/gLjUE.jpg) in AE. It sounds pretty amazing, but right now I can't figure a way to do the import/export quickly.

e. Found it. It's really finicky though.

Missed this somehow...

That sounds like some awesome functionality and workflow wizardry. Maybe I should look into Premiere and not make it crash.

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Song suggestions: They're not what I'm looking for unfortunately. It's hard to point out exactly what it is that I'm looking for, but it needs a lot of build-ups and climaxes I can play off of.
Thanks a lot though for even suggesting them.
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Post by reidransom (?) » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:55 pm

You know what I could use? Some tips on lip synching. My machine is waaaayy to weak to render on the fly and check it just playing the project sequence, so I'm just kinda going through frame by frame trying to match shit up, then exporting small sections to check. It's pretty painful. Am I missing something obvious or is this just the way it goes?
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Post by Isaak (?) » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:14 pm

reidransom wrote:You know what I could use? Some tips on lip synching. My machine is waaaayy to weak to render on the fly and check it just playing the project sequence, so I'm just kinda going through frame by frame trying to match shit up, then exporting small sections to check. It's pretty painful. Am I missing something obvious or is this just the way it goes?

Are you using Sony Vegas? If so select a region you want to view and preload it in your ram using Shift+B for smooth playback.
As for lip synching itself, I haven't done that a lot I'm afraid. My Little Expendables is pretty much my only effort and is really just a crude approximation.

All I can do is tell you to experiment and try things out. You could also contact someone on Youtube who has more experience than me.
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Post by ozone (?) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:40 am

This is isn't pony related but it is fan music video related; it's a fan music video for Assassin's Creed and the editing in it is absolutely gorgeous:

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The whole thing flows with the music amazingly well and the transitions between the assassins is simply awesome. It blows my mind how he didn't have access to any of the developer tools and had to manually match up the camera angles for both games. Must have taken some serious dedication.

It's all very inspirational stuff. :D
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Post by Isaak (?) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:47 pm

Damn.

That was incredible. Perfect concept, amazing execution. Awe inspiring.
Just going through it and trying to figure out how he has done it is awesome all by itself.
It's a shame we don't have as much control, but then again if we had we'd be completely animating things haha. (Which I may or may not do some time in the future...)

Anyway, it's looking like I'll have next week off, so SLR is more around the corner than I could've hoped for. In other words,

Shine Like Rarity release next week!

Updated the OP as well.
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Post by Dr.Dinosaur (?) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:57 pm

:awesomedash:

Hooray!

I really can't wait to see how it all turned out!
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Post by Isaak (?) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:20 pm

Dilemma!

I was preparing a playtest today and was listening to Cut Records' latest Free Ep featuring Rain Dog (which you should download).
Specifically I was listening to the frail, warm and magnificent Beyond Their Years when inspiration struck.

The jist of the idea is Rainbow Dash flying across the sky with background and foreground elements moving to the music, much like Star Guitar by the Chemical Brothers.
There's going to be a day and night cycle, clouds, mountains, forests, birds, other pegasi, falling stars and it's all pretty much ready to go and be storyboarded and whatnot.

There's only one problem, which is the use of the word "fucking". Normally I'm not one for making a huge fuss out of words, but this is My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and I'm hesitant to relate something like that to the show.
I've said before that my MO is taking the show and adding something to it, making it more than the sum of its parts and not completely changing it to something else or associating it with something that maybe doesn't fit.

So basically the thing that's in my head is incredible, it would involve my first custom animation thingy, a stylized look, full on After Effects goodness and the song fits so damn well and is so good and I already have it cut to size and... and...
There's just that one thing and I don't know what to do with it...
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Post by Ragnar (?) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:19 pm

Well, if you make a PMV out of that you could give the band some more exposure--which would be great--and that track really is gorgeous.

As for the swear, there's just the one and I personally don't care in the slightest. If it bothers you too much then it's your prerogative, though. Do whatever seems best.
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Post by Opposing Farce (?) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:28 pm

Yeah I don't really see it as a problem. I definitely get not wanting to associate swear words with ponies, but for some reason I always thought of swears in song lyrics as kind of not counting if that makes any sense (it probably doesn't).
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Post by Isaak (?) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:00 pm

Ragnar34 wrote:Well, if you make a PMV out of that you could give the band some more exposure--which would be great--and that track really is gorgeous.

I hadn't considered that to be honest, that's definitely a huge plus to take into account.

This particular sentence is here to reinforce the beauty of aforementioned song and serves as a reminder that you should download that free EP. Now.

As for the swear, there's just the one and I personally don't care in the slightest. If it bothers you too much then it's your prerogative, though. Do whatever seems best.

OpposingFarce wrote:Yeah I don't really see it as a problem. I definitely get not wanting to associate swear words with ponies, but for some reason I always thought of swears in song lyrics as kind of not counting if that makes any sense (it probably doesn't).

I think it's born out of this respect for the show and its creators. A sort of code I adopted (maybe) subconsciously. In the end though what matters is me making something great and I don't think a word, whatever its meaning or connotation, should be in the way of that.

Thanks for the thoughts, this creative sandbox is becoming ever more defined. I'm gonna go ahead with this and start preproduction after Applejack's trailer.
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Post by Ragnar (?) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:30 pm

Isaak wrote:This particular sentence is here to reinforce the beauty of aforementioned song and serves as a reminder that you should download that free EP. Now.


I think it's born out of this respect for the show and its creators. A sort of code I adopted (maybe) subconsciously. In the end though what matters is me making something great and I don't think a word, whatever its meaning or connotation, should be in the way of that.

Thanks for the thoughts, this creative sandbox is becoming ever more defined. I'm gonna go ahead with this and start preproduction after Applejack's trailer.

EP downloaded, waiting for a chance to listen to it uninterrupted[e: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck]. Your point about respect for the subject matter makes perfect sense, but I think this is worth it. Have fun.
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