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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Mr. Big (?) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:39 am

Madeline wrote: ↑
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It’s about time Chiro got some attention, tbh :v:
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Bats good :allears:
Bats need more love :allears:

Speaking of art during stream, Perry did a great drawing of Felicia in a "mom-kini" when we multistreamed. She needs to share it here :v:
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Weird Autumn (?) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:31 pm

Perrydotto wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:05 am
Bats good :allears:

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Bigdog (?) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:48 pm

yes. they are. also i feel literally infinity old now and its all your fault

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Durandal (?) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:18 pm

Bigdog wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:48 pm
yes. they are. also i feel literally infinity old now and its all your fault
I was there, Gandalf.... Three thousand years ago.....

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Bigdog (?) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:29 pm

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relatedly, can I just say how much i hate it when artists purge/hide their entire galleries after deciding to leave the fandom

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Pocket (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:38 am

Or just once a year or so because they don't like how their "old" art looks now. Lotta people do that too.

Also, wow, that picture you just posted is so old it's using a form of JPEG compression that's not supported anymore. At least I think that's what's going on with some of those outlines.

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Bigdog (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:41 am

Pocket wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:38 am
Or just once a year or so because they don't like how their "old" art looks now. Lotta people do that too.

Also, wow, that picture you just posted is so old it's using a form of JPEG compression that's not supported anymore. At least I think that's what's going on with some of those outlines.
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:34 am

I know I swore never to delete my old art, and while I've technically upheld that oath, I can't help but feel a tiny little bit glad that all the art I ever posted here before late 2017 vanished (from public view) in the horsepocalypse. I know feeling that way is kind of an insult to the people who did like my art, but when I end up finding at least one thing I don't like about pretty much anything I make, I feel better knowing I won't be subjecting others to large amounts of that in perpetuity.
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:48 am

You make it sound like showing people imperfect art is a huge burden, as if perfection is reachable and as if your art isn't lovely the way it is (it IS lovely the way it is, and you are being unfair to yourself)
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Bigdog (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:51 am

because so many people in the furry fandom are so goddamn talented, it can be easy to forget that I'm actually 10-15 years older than some of them and when you're that age, sometimes some minor drama feels like the end of the goddamn world and you need to destroy everything forever

of course, things still feel like the end of the goddamn world in your mid-30s, but I hope I've at least learned to maintain my sense of perspective and not do anything I'll regret horribly in the proverbial morning

basically I'm increasingly aware of the need to be tolerant of youth


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Post by Weird Autumn (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:49 pm

the guy who based his personality around "being a sarcastic, cynical prick" gave me real sense of "oh yeah remember when i thought i was a guy and that was the best idea i had for what kind of person i should be"

i don't like this feeling take it back

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Bigdog (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:31 pm

Some of those have more soul in them than whatever Adam Wan crapped out last week. :pinkieshrug:

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:55 pm

dumbass didnt you read better days the mice are jewish

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:57 pm

Personally speaking, I delete old art because I want to make sure potential clients only see stuff I consider the best :pinkieshrug:
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:45 pm

that makes a lot of sense for a portfolio site but I think folks are more thinking in terms of personal stuff here, if I'm not mistaken
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Bigdog (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:47 pm

Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:55 pm
dumbass didnt you read better days the mice are jewish
For a few strips at the very beginning (like literally just when it launched)

I stopped pretty quickly and thankfully only know the rest secondhand

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:02 pm

Perrydotto wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:45 pm
that makes a lot of sense for a portfolio site but I think folks are more thinking in terms of personal stuff here, if I'm not mistaken
I kinda assume potential clients would come across my personal stuff, I guess. People find me through weird places :-I

In all seriousness, sometimes there are older stuff I'd rather not be online anymore.
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:50 pm

I dunno. I might have harsh standards on my own work :pinkieshrug:
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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:47 pm

On one hand, it's understandable that artists want to put their best foot forward, especially if it's their job.

But on the other hand, when so many artists just wipe out their online presence, it's eventually history that gets lost, y'know? Especially in places like e621, where it's like, you've gotta be looking for it, and most people go by a pseudonym anyway.

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:39 pm

yeah honestly I fully sympathize with both sides here, as both a creator and a fan; wanting to curate your presence is normal and pretty important, but - and I'm guilty of this myself - it's also easy for artists to forget that the harsh lens they might have on themselves isn't necessarily what others see in it, and eradicating it all can take that away

an artist doesn't owe people to keep their work online if they don't want to, I don't wanna defend any sort of entitlement here, but I do think it's good for artists to remember that the nasty self-critical side they have isn't a healthy decision maker (again, something I gotta work on myself)
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:41 am

I get ya, honestly, I do. I hate it when comic creators does that, where they bury their old published works. Especially annoying because I can be a bit of a comic historian sometimes, and finding their early published works can be difficult if the original artists don't cooperate.

On the other hand, as someone who's done work professionally, I empathize with them. I left out a bunch of comics in one of my books because I felt they wern't that good. I eventually compromised by revising/redrawing some of those skipped comics to my current style and printing them in a later book.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:23 pm

Couple weeks ago I was asked to speak at a high school art club, where I talked about my cartooning career, as well as drawing.

The teacher gave me a stack of canvas boards the school bought because she had no use for them. Decided to try some of them out

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I'm definitely not used to painting with acrylic, aside from fake cels I painted for funsies. My first attempt could be worse, I guess :-I
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Post by Bigdog (?) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:43 pm

different disciplines. i like to think i've gotten better with paint-type mediums but i still couldn't crank out a good ink or pencil sketch if my life depended on it

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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:37 pm

I feel like I'm okay enough at pencil drawings, though those always take longer than my digital art since erasing obviously requires more effort than the undo button. I haven't touched paints of any sort in over a decade, though.
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Post by minty (?) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:19 pm

They're also making a Zootopia attraction at Shanghai Disneyland.


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Post by SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:53 pm

whoa oh oh oh oh ohhh

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SlateSlabrock wrote: ↑
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whoa oh oh oh oh ohhh

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Another fanart for Chiro! This looks nice
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Drawn by a friend, from one of my early stories.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:35 am

So you know my "Catte Belle" character? I created her for a furry anthology comic book my friend was planning on. I created a short story with her to run in the magazine.

Well, I got the word that the anthology is cancelled. I won't go into why, although it wasn't an easy decision on the friend's part. Which means that the "Catte Belle" comic has no home for now.

Soooo, here's a "lost" comic, I guess!

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Post by Jill (?) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:18 pm

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Bigdog (?) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:38 pm

So, I almost posted this in the Random Thoughts thread, but it's likely to be more of a tl;dr-style goonsay than that thread is targeted at, and it's also something I've been thinking about chiefly in a furry context. So, here goes.

My thought is that a character can be spoken of as a contract of sorts. What I mean by this is that, in order for a character to function as such, there has to be an agreement between at least two parties that the character is a legitimate one and is able to perform the function expected of a character in a given context. In the case of a character from a novel or computer game, say, the parties are obviously the creator(s) and the audience, the readers/viewers/players. In the case of fantasy roleplay or even simple socializing between two people who are both acting as their OCs, the parties are the participants in the roleplay/conversations/etc. Again, this could be applied to everyone from Gilgamesh to Luke Skywalker all the way down to your and my fursonas.

Now, obviously, this contract can be "refused", or terminated once it's been entered into. If you or I are reading a novel but find the characters to be completely unbelievable, we're likely to ultimately put it down and not pick it up again. This is distinct from putting a story down because you don't enjoy the characters or the plot, of course. For example, I stopped watching Bojack Horseman a couple of years ago due to distaste for the way some of the main characters were going, but it would be silly for me to say that Bojack is not a legitimate character. But if I start reading a story and the main character is a flaming Mary Sue, or I see an OC that's designed like the furry version of Rob Liefeld's Captain America, that is just a nonstarter. Those characters-- it might be more appropriate to say attempts at characters-- fail a legitimacy test on some earlier, more fundamental level. The contract is figuratively unsigned, or, if I'm already partway through the story, torn up. Conversely, the reason why we stay in the contract with George Lucas/Disney/Mark Hamill to accept Luke Skywalker as a character, and "renew" that contract every time a new piece of media comes out that we decide to consume, is because we find him to be a good or at least acceptable character.

One of the benefits of this analogy is that it would put the people who think those sorts of things are AWESOME into the same cognitive category as people who sincerely offer or enter into patently unwise transactions. We can certainly carve out an exception for people who have a fully self-aware fetish for some sort of bodily unrealism; I certainly have no harsh judgment against those fetishes (all other ethical issues being equal), but when you look at the people who gaze at-- or adopt for themselves-- the aforementioned sort of Rob Liefeld furries, and unironically think to themselves something along the lines of "Yes, this is glorious and perfect"? Maybe they're the fandom equivalent of folks wiring money to Nigerian princes or offering their gold jewelry to scammers for fractions on the dollar. :smirk:

I have another attendant thought but as I'm writing this post it seems like more of a sequel/epilogue, so I'm going to hit post now and save that for another.

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:59 pm

So, in short: good characters ought to exist within believable bounds of the context defined by their fellow characters and their world?
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Post by Bigdog (?) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:09 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:59 pm
So, in short: good characters ought to exist within believable bounds of the context defined by their fellow characters and their world?
Not so much. If nothing else, the point about characters needing to be verisimilitudinous is already fairly obvious, or ought to be, so I would've saved my virtual breath if I felt like that was all I had to say. What I specifically felt I'd hit upon was the contractual metaphor.

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Post by Pocket (?) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:44 am

So, what would this mean for someone who had, say, created a character that's an amalgamation of some of the more overused elements of OC designs as a joke, and over the course of a few years came to like the character more and more unironically even though nothing about them had changed? Just as a for instance. Hypothetically.

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Re: 😺😽 furry thread 2: reminder the correct pronunciation of gif is "yiff"

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:38 am

Bigdog wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:09 pm
Not so much. If nothing else, the point about characters needing to be verisimilitudinous is already fairly obvious, or ought to be, so I would've saved my virtual breath if I felt like that was all I had to say. What I specifically felt I'd hit upon was the contractual metaphor.
Thinking about it now, I guess I'm disinclined to see this sort of thing as any sort of a contract or deal, but I realize that's likely because I still have a very low idea of how much my own time (the thing I, the viewer, would be giving up) is worth. Having drawn things before, I know I've been on both sides of this deal, but when I'm posting something I've made my default feeling is that what I've made is worthless and anyone who pays attention to it does so out of pity at best.

In short, I guess I didn't see your comparison the same way since I still have not fully gotten out of my ridiculously unhealthy attitude about things I make vs. things other people make.
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