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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by Adiwan (?) » Fri May 18, 2018 12:22 am

:eek: My own imagination didn't prepare me for this.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by !saak (?) » Fri May 18, 2018 4:09 am

ok so I was going to call people extremely dateable itt but previous posts have made me reflect on life the universe and everything

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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by West Filly (?) » Fri May 18, 2018 10:59 am

Here's a new random thought to wash that one away :starity:

If you've ever seen How It's Made, or the bits they'd show in Mister Rogers' Neighborhood where they show you a factory line:

I was thinking it'd be cool to see a feature length one of these. Instead of showing just one factory, it'd start at the raw materials being excavated from the Earth and then follow them all the way to the final product.

I think the success of this would hinge on them picking a really goddamn good narrator.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri May 18, 2018 5:19 pm

!saak wrote: ↑
Fri May 18, 2018 4:09 am
ok so I was going to call people extremely dateable itt but previous posts have made me reflect on life the universe and everything
I agree, life is too short to be spent shitposting on PPPP


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Post by Madeline (?) » Fri May 18, 2018 7:00 pm

*clicks on thread*
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I agree, civilization is doomed :shepspike:

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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Fri May 18, 2018 7:03 pm

I think I finally found a way to break the PPPP.

My evil plan has succeeded :excellent:

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Post by stuff (?) » Fri May 18, 2018 7:04 pm

that was... hard to stomach

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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 12:29 am

Adiwan wrote: ↑
Fri May 18, 2018 12:12 am
My random thought of today:
What if all high art would vanish and in 1000 years archaeologists and art historians had only access to badly drawn OCs (Sonic, pony and such).
Should I start engraving images of my ponysona in rocks, a medium that'll hopefully last longer than digital files and cheap notecards?
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by ToastGhost (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 1:24 am

Fizzbuzz wrote: ↑
Sat May 19, 2018 12:29 am
Should I start engraving images of my ponysona in rocks, a medium that'll hopefully last longer than digital files and cheap notecards?
Do this but make it my ponysona instead. :vogue:
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

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ToastGhost wrote: ↑
Sat May 19, 2018 1:24 am
Do this but make it my ponysona instead. :vogue:
An engraving in the side of a glacier seems more appropriate for her.
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Post by Adiwan (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:14 am

Fizzbuzz wrote: ↑
Sat May 19, 2018 12:29 am
Should I start engraving images of my ponysona in rocks, a medium that'll hopefully last longer than digital files and cheap notecards?
How about engraving a cryptic nonesense message on stones, digging it in over the globe in a geometric pattern, and confusing future archaeologists.
And if you combine all stones they reveal the real message: "You are dumb!"
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Post by Madeline (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:26 am

!saak wrote: ↑
Fri May 18, 2018 4:09 am
ok so I was going to call people extremely dateable itt but previous posts have made me reflect on life the universe and everything
We’re never getting closure on this now, are we :flutterdear:

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i am merely modestly dateable
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Post by West Filly (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:57 am

SlateSlabrock wrote: ↑
Sat May 19, 2018 1:52 am
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Post by West Filly (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 3:40 pm

I wonder if crazy frog is now gay?
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Post by Octavia (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 7:57 pm

Binge-watched Aggretsuko and man it's super adorable :3:
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 19, 2018 8:44 pm

I've been seeing a lot of complaints about "CalArts Style" on Twitter lately, especially in the light of the new Thundercats show.

I wonder how many people unironically using the term knows that it was coined by John K., and it originally referred to the Brad Bird/Glen Keane style of animation that he hated? :-I

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Post by Pocket (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:21 am

Does it not still? I thought that was still what it meant.

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Post by West Filly (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 5:15 am

Now it's used to refer to the beanface style.

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I'm not sure which Brad Bird style this was supposed to refer to. He had this really detailed style and he also had this other style that was kind of abstract and angular, almost cubist. Both of them were more detailed and less cutesy than this new beanface style.

I think Calarts is the wrong word for it. Nonetheless I do think the critics have a point in that western mainstream cartoons seem to be homogenising their style to this particular style when, in the past, there was a greater diversity of styles. It's not a huge problem, though. The shows look good and most are good to watch, it's just something to mention under "what could we do differently?"

Don't listen to critics, though. The same people who are now praising the 2011 Thundercats for its style compared to the new beanface style are the people who were criticising that 2011 Thundercats style, particularly when it was used in all of ATLA, for being a western "imitation" of anime.
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Post by Adiwan (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 5:46 am

I prefer the bean face to the pointy anime chin and pupil-less eyes face.
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by West Filly (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 5:56 am

The bean face style is cute and it looks good. Pointing out that a show uses beanface isn't really an adequate criticism of any particular show itself, just something to highlight a wide trend in animation at the moment. Saying "I'd like to see more styles being used in animation" is different to saying "this show sucks because it uses a particular style". I want to argue the former and reject the latter.

Another criticism off the back of this is the argument that, from what we've seen of the style and animation, they appear to be going for a light hearted comical tone for a story which used to be an epic action sci fi story. For that I want to hold off until I've seen the final product. When you look at Gravity Falls, Steven Universe and Adventure Time you see that shows which appear to be lolrandom and comical can actually get very touching, action packed and epic in their tone. Just because the cats have beanfaces and make silly jokes from the outset doesn't mean that the show will just be lolrandom cutesy trash.

In fact, daring to be comical allows the audience to relate to the character and enjoy the happy moments in the show, which prevent it from becoming dark and edgy. To explain what I mean by that, imagine Steven Universe but without Steven, Amethyst, Peridot or any moment that provides comic relief. Instead of being a story about love you'd have a story about the horrors of war.
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Post by Perrydotto (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 7:54 am

good posts, West Filly, and I agree wholeheartedly
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Re: ITT Post Your Random Thoughts

Post by West Filly (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 9:29 am

West Filly wrote: ↑
Sun May 20, 2018 5:56 am

In fact, daring to be comical allows the audience to relate to the character and enjoy the happy moments in the show, which prevent it from becoming dark and edgy. To explain what I mean by that, imagine Steven Universe but without Steven, Amethyst, Peridot or any moment that provides comic relief. Instead of being a story about love you'd have a story about the horrors of war.
I want to go further and say that being comical like this isn't inherently tied with the beanface style. If you go back to ATLA, which shares a visual style with the 2011 Thundercats, you'll see what I mean. Sokka is a goofball, the Avatar is a young boy who occasionally cracks fart jokes and even Zuko, the closest thing to an edgelord in the show, attempts a joke at one point. Then you get on to Iroh, who starts off as a lazy fatso comic relief character, but steadily becomes one of the most profound and heartfelt characters in all of animation. If they had gone straight in with "I marched my son to his death in war" it would have been edgy, but because they started with drinking tea and us getting to know him through his lazing around in a jacuzzi it allows us to enjoy the ups that invest us in the character and allow us to love him through his downs.

So to conclude my rant over three posts, I don't want to dismiss a show for its style or for it including comedy from the outset.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:17 am

West Filly wrote: ↑
Sun May 20, 2018 5:15 am
I'm not sure which Brad Bird style this was supposed to refer to.
"Iron Giant", specifically. John used "CalArts Style" to describe why he hated that movie.

Also, well said, West Filly. Agreed. Something to keep in mind.

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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 2:29 pm

I always found it weird that "Gravity Falls" is lumped in with the modern "beanface" style. I always thought the style looked similar to "FoxTrot", which started in 1988.

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Post by The Ghost of Ember (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 5:50 pm

Not a fan of the beanface but tolerate it because I know its cheap and easy to animate.

There's a certain irony in Thundercats being 'the straw that broke the camel's back' on beanface though, considering it was one of a number of cookie-cutter 'lumpy he-men/ G.I. Joe' low animation action shows that saturated the 1980's.

I expect Thundercats roar to be garbage not because of the beanface but because Thundercats is garbage. The 2011 show was well animated but it was trying to take a goofy 80's cartoon show and make it serious. I couldn't help rolling my eyes every time they tried to make Mumm-ra menancing.

Also: The new She-Ra reboot will also be bad unless its camp.
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Post by Madeline (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 6:39 pm

The backlash was surprising to me because I’d forgotten Thundercats even existed. Then suddenly it was a hot topic and my reaction was :whyme:

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Post by West Filly (?) » Sun May 20, 2018 7:02 pm

One problem with reboots is that, contrary to popular belief, the original show as it was released is not the source material. The thoughts, inspirations and reference materials of the creators of the original at the time of the making of the original are the source material, and those are probably lost. Because of this, you'll never be able to make the exact same show again.

The important thing is that this is perfectly fine. It's the ability to reinvent an old series with new ideas which keeps it alive, but to do this you need to ignore the internet critics who will leap at the first chance to say "this doesn't reflect the source material!" It doesn't always work, though. Batman and Scooby Doo are full of examples of this both working and not working at various times.

Batman brings me on to another point. I've been arguing thus far that this show may turn out to be heartfelt, action packed or epic in spite of the hints of comedic styling we're seeing. With Batman you can also open another possibility. Sometimes taking an action packed and dark story, then turning it into an off-the-wall parody of itself, can work well. Maybe this could be Adam West's Thundercats?

It's all speculation at this point, but I want to give this show a chance to be something good instead of leaping at the chance to shit on it. There's so many good things that it might turn out to be.
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Post by Perrydotto (?) » Mon May 21, 2018 6:07 am

Agreed, also I'm stoked for that She-Ra reboot because the original show had some surprising bits of depth and story to it that He-Man didn't and a show with an actual budget and skill could actually realize that stuff, as opposed to Filmation
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Post by Madeline (?) » Mon May 21, 2018 7:23 am

Transformers is a decent example of reboots leading to better quality. G1 is the stereotypical 1980s toy commercial and is ridiculously bad campy schlock (although that’s why I enjoy watching it and laughing at it :-I ). Beast Wars took ideas from it, but was its own far superior thing, especially in seasons 2 and 3. The animation hasn’t aged well at all, but the stories and characterizations are still mostly good.

An equally good example of Batman as comedy leading to excellent results is Batman: The Brave and the Bold

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Post by Perrydotto (?) » Mon May 21, 2018 7:27 am

also so far the new Ducktales show fits the bill of strong reboots

takes what was good about the original show and updates things where fitting/needed to make the weak parts good too
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Post by Madeline (?) » Mon May 21, 2018 7:29 am

Oh heck yeah, new DuckTales is amazing

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Post by West Filly (?) » Mon May 21, 2018 11:52 am

I think this forum is missing the obvious good reboot to mention here.
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West Filly wrote: ↑
Mon May 21, 2018 11:52 am
I think this forum is missing the obvious good reboot to mention here.
Voltron is indeed a pretty decent reboot :-I
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Madeline wrote: ↑
Mon May 21, 2018 7:23 am
An equally good example of Batman as comedy leading to excellent results is Batman: The Brave and the Bold
I remember watching that when Perry ran it on the Pasture a couple years ago. To this day, I wonder why superhero properties (especially DC's) have so much trouble having fun like that show did.
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Post by Gloomy Rube (?) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:36 pm

The muppet babies reboot looks pretty bad though, I checked out a couple episodes and they were literally just rewritten episodes from the original series :v:
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:42 pm

The original "Muppet Babies" were never that great to begin with, and it arguably lead to the "spinoff babies" craze that lasted several years, like "A Pup Named Scooby Doo" and "Tom and Jerry Kids" :-I

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