The ongoing fight against the alt-right

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The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Pocket (?) » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:34 pm

Since I started this thread last time, it's fitting that I be the one to bring it back. And have I got news for you: Reddit's worst community, Incels, has been banned as of a couple days ago. For those out of the loop, the Incel community was a group of men who believed themselves to be "involuntarily celibate" and used that to justify being as hostile to women as humanly possible without actively becoming serial killers (and the general consensus is that they'll make that leap soon enough). Over time their behavior became more and more radicalized to an almost cartoonish degree, referring to them as "femoids", advocating all women be made sex slaves, and idolizing that shooter whose name I can never remember whose manifesto inspired the #NotAllMen thing. They are, currently, the only group of people I'd consider to be worse than literal Nazis, mainly for that last point—even the Nazis tried to distance themselves from the Charlottesville killer.

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Post by Diamondheart (?) » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:30 pm

Their whole shtick is just a pity party for themselves while they say and do some of the most vile (non-"ironic") shit I've ever seen. And yeah, consider one of the last things to come out of there was some guy asking for advice on another sub on how to literally get away with rape.

Good riddance to that sub.

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Post by Jill (?) » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:28 pm

incels sound like the kind of hyper-misogynist i used to be when i was 14-18 or so and didn't really understand myself. i can even recall a conversation with one of my friends at the time, where we "jokingly" entertained the "women should be sex slaves" thing. if i ever actually talked to a woman then it was to troll some pubby in Ragnarok Online, which in turn would feed into my subconscious belief that women could not engage in meaningful conversation

i can't make any excuse for this behavior, at least not one that i'm willing to believe myself. it feels like a symptom of a poisoned culture where a man can infer that his worth is based on his appeal to women, and then look upon womankind with envy and mistrust because of it

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Post by Jill (?) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:30 pm

gee i didn't mean to strangle this thread as soon as it began

i have a question: i see a lot of nazi (apologist) people bring up communism whenever someone complains about nazis. i have literally seen a tweet that was essentially "lol you're complaining about nazis when communists have wanted to kill all the jews"

at that point i'm pretty sure they're just making shit up, but like, why? why is communism even relevant to the discussion? is this some hot new alt-right tactic where they desperately attempt to make communism look like the real boogeyman? i'm no expert but i'm pretty sure communist and nazi ideals aren't even mutually exclusive, so maybe they are technically right in saying "communists have wanted to kill all the jews" if they are talking about a subset of fascist communists

basically, ?????

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Quanta (?) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:54 pm

It's just an example of "whataboutism" so you'll stop trying to pick apart their flimsy arguments.
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Post by Pocket (?) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:53 pm

To be fair, I can see why it would be a valid question to ask in some contexts. Like, recently a certain website amended their TOS to make it a bannable offense to express support for hate groups such as Nazis or ISIS. And some people popped in asking if the rule would apply to the USSR as well, because there are a lot of people on the Internet who unironically repurpose USSR iconography the same way the alt-right does with Nazi and Confederate flags. And make no mistake, Stalin killed way the hell more people than Hitler did; that's just a historic fact. But as Eddie Izzard quipped, he only killed his own people, and we're just sort of fine with that.

I really don't know what to say about that. I mean, what I want to say is "I don't care because reasons". But I want to have an answer that's, you know, intelligent and shit.

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Post by Perrydotto (?) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:59 pm

It doesn't help that communism/socialism has a long history of being an angry buzzword used by capitalists to make themselves look better, with little to no concern for the actual horrors of the USSR regime.
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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Pocket (?) » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:59 pm

Over the past week, I have been exposed to evidence that Twitter's claims of championing "free speech" are a smokescreen for actively taking a side. Exhibit A is a recent tweet from Zoe Quinn showing that CEO Jack Dorsey is following Gamergate ringleader Mike Cernovich, a man who repeatedly called for the doxxing of Gamergate's "enemies" and has yet to receive any punishment for it just like all the others. Exhibit B is a tweet made only minutes ago from someone who literally got their account put in limited mode for calling a racist an "idiot".

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Soft Snow (?) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:16 am

From what I understand, the Alt-Right that support Nazis are standing up for nationalism as opposed to communism, socialism and even capitalism. They idolize the Nazis for removing corruptive elements from their society to make their country strong, that corruption being the Jews.

But the Alt-Right seems to use the term in such an ambiguously vague way to justify any bigotry, xenophobic or otherwise hateful ideology that is socially unacceptable. Which is why you get such weird statements like how the mainstream media is trying to turn our children gay so the world government can take away our country's sovereignty.

That is why Trump's motto of making America great again had such appeal to them.
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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Pocket (?) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:52 pm

Here's a fun story. A few days ago, the New York Times ran an article profiling "the Nazi sympathizer next door", in a way that most people took to be way too flattering. But they did one thing right: They gave his full name and the town where he lives, and guess what, it's an uncommon enough name that his full address was easy to find. Fast forward to today and he and his wife are now unemployed and fleeing for their lives. :allears:

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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:13 am

The owners also said that they and their other employees have been bombarded with threatening and intimidating calls and social media messages since the article was published. That prompted Hovater to suggest to the owners to “release him from employment,” the statement said. They did so and also fired Hovater’s wife and brother-in-law shortly after.

“We felt it necessary to fully sever the relationship with them in hopes to protect our 20 other employees from the verbal and social media threats being made from individuals all over the country, and as far as Australia. We neither encourage nor support any forms of hate within our establishment,” the owners said.
Hard to tell if the restaurant where he worked fired him for being a Nazi or only because of public outrage.
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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Frosthawk (?) » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:50 pm

To be fair, I think most people are still fairly adverse to straight-up Nazis.

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by The Doctor (?) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:35 pm

So, a manuscript from that Milo asshole came up in court records, complete with editor notes.



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On one hand, the editors notes are hilarious.

On the other hand, this is an editor who was actively trying to make this stuff more palatable for a mainstream audience...

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Bremen (?) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:34 pm

Apparently Bannon and Breitbart are cutting ties with Nehlen and cleaning his stuff off the site. Guess either Moore losing has them scared, or he was too extreme even for them.

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by theGECK (?) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:13 am

Pocket wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:54 am
20 years ago I paid money in an arcade to play this game, but with 20-year old graphics and shooting Nazis. I felt sick after playing one round of that game, and it makes me sad that games like it are still being produced.

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Post by Dexanth (?) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:02 pm

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What game was this, since it got removed from Steam?

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Bremen (?) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:20 pm

It was, as I recall, a mod called "Depravity Defense" about gunning down Muslims. All around horrible stuff.

Don't really approve of the tweet either, though, since as far as I know there's no approval process for mods and it clearly ended up removed anyways.

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:27 pm

The original game was billed as a "first-person tower defense" in which ISIS (or maybe a totally-not-ISIS radical Islam terrorist group, I forget now) was invading the shores of various Western European countries and you the player were in a stationary machine gun emplacement trying to kill as many as possible. The mod that Jim Sterling linked replaced the terrorists with various left-wing protesters, antifa groups, etc.
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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:26 am

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Don't really approve of the tweet either, though, since as far as I know there's no approval process for mods and it clearly ended up removed anyways.
The tweet's point is precisely that there is not enough oversight on Steam, for games, mods or anything else.
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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Bremen (?) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:51 pm

Perrydotto wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:26 am
The tweet's point is precisely that there is not enough oversight on Steam, for games, mods or anything else.
Then it should say "Steam really should curate its mods" instead of "Steam is endorsing this messed up mod."

There's enough anger in the world without being intentionally misleading to stoke up more.

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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:21 pm

I guess this would go here, since Gamergate is often regarded as the first major thing to come out of what is now known as the "alt-right".

So the FBI investigated and questioned some of the Gamergaters who sent death threats to women. Even though they confessed, however, the FBI declined to file charges and let them go.
Brianna Wu, the CEO of the Giant Spacekat game studio, was the target of more than 100 death threats during a nine-month period, she told the FBI and multiple media sources. She received so many hostile messages that she hired people to document them, and at one point she moved out of her house to live in a hotel. She is so angry at the FBI's inactivity that she is running for Congress in the Massachusetts 8th District on a platform of reforming the law to better prevent online harassers.

"All this report does for me is show how little the FBI cared about the investigation. I'm fairly livid," she told Heat Street.
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Post by PhoolCat (?) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:40 pm

SomethingAwful was mentioned in the documents - were they involved in gg too?
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Post by Strangething (?) » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:20 pm

Does anyone else feel like the backlash to "Down with Molestia" was a preview of Gamergate?

Just me? :wat:
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Post by Factory Factory (?) » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Not just you. It 100% was.
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Post by PhoolCat (?) » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:06 pm

and it wasn't the only brony thing along those lines - I'm assuming other fandoms had similar hideousness, but I wasn't looking
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Post by Pocket (?) » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:05 am

Since we're on the subject of that, I know people who are still really burned that the trend of creators intervening with their fandoms' drama didn't start until the Steven Universe fan art debacle, and consider it a sign of the industry being biased against social justice types. Take from that what you will.

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Post by Pocket (?) » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:34 am

In case you're wondering what the Republican who's gunning for Paul Ryan's spot is up to:

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Mr. Big (?) » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:13 am

There's been abuzz on Twitter lately about Ethan Van Sciver. He's a comic artist best known for his work at DC, especially "Green Lantern".

He's also mega alt-right who has a history of harassing other people (including other comic creators) because they would call out on his bullshit, often getting his "fans" to bully them, including racist attacks on a black creator. Last year he even told a comic fan suffering from depression to kill himself, which lead to many comic creators to condemn him.

So yeah, he's kind of a horrible person :-I

I'm bringing this up because there are at least two articles in the works about Van Sciver's history of harassment and bullying right now.

Ethan Van Sciver just deleted his Twitter account now, for what its worth.
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Post by Pocket (?) » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:29 pm

A bit of a minor thing, but a bunch of stuff recently came to light about the Nostalgia Critic's website Channel Awesome and specifically its CEO, Mike Michaud (yes, that site has a CEO because who fuckin' knows). Most damning is the revelation that one of their former contributors was canned for being critical of Gamergate off-site. Fortunately, in light of all this stuff, nearly every worthwhile contributor on the site has quit within the past 48 hours, so if you were still following any of their material, you don't have to feel guilty by association. Only ones left are Brad Jones and Tony Goldmark, and I'm considering putting the pressure on the latter.

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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:48 pm

I think the whole Channel Awesome thing going on probably warrants its own thread, because the shitstorm that happened is amazing. And if you think the site having a CEO is odd, one of the ex-contributors confirmed that it's a registered corporation, rather than a LLC.

And yeah, Mike Michaud is a massive shithead from what everyone is saying. I've read nothing good about him.
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Post by Mr. Big (?) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:07 pm

With "Roseanne" being revived, I think now is a good time to remind everyone that Roseanne Barr is not only a Trump supporter, but a major TERF.

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Post by Factory Factory (?) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:05 pm

Mr. Big wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:07 pm
With "Roseanne" being revived, I think now is a good time to remind everyone that Roseanne Barr is not only a Trump supporter, but a major TERF.

Ugghhh :facehoof:
She also keeps tweeting about a conspiracy theory started on 4chan that the Mueller investigations are actually about exposing the Democrats' satanic pedophile sex cult.
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Post by Pocket (?) » Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:04 pm

Hey, it turns out I wasn't the only one who felt that Ready Player One was emblematic of everything toxic about geek culture.

This article also has some choice quotes and summaries of parts of the book that never got addressed over in the PPPP thread.
“I was too weird, even for the weirdos,” Wade announces at the beginning of Ready Player One. His school doesn’t “get” him, so he heads to the OASIS. There, his ’80s pop culture knowledge ensures his high social status, and his debates with his best friend — over which ’80s properties rock and which suck — are considered “high in entertainment value.” When a fellow player dares to question his knowledge, Wade is able to beat him into submission under a stream of trivia (“You’re holding Swordquest: Earthworld. … Can you name the next three games in the series?”) until his rival “lowers his head in shame” and the watching, awestruck crowd “bursts into applause.”
Cripes, it's almost word-for-word the "And then the whole room applauded" meme.

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Bremen (?) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:52 pm

Pocket wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:04 pm
Hey, it turns out I wasn't the only one who felt that Ready Player One was emblematic of everything toxic about geek culture.

This article also has some choice quotes and summaries of parts of the book that never got addressed over in the PPPP thread.


Cripes, it's almost word-for-word the "And then the whole room applauded" meme.
Having read that article, can I just say that this paragraph:
There are girls in his universe. Wade’s best friend has a white male avatar but is secretly a black lesbian, a revelation to which Wade reacts by deciding that it does not matter because he doesn’t even see people’s race, gender, or sexuality. It’s a passage that reads remarkably like the “I don’t care if you’re black, white, green, or purple” speech, and that carries the same basic problem: Wade should care that his best friend is a black lesbian because those are important facts about his best friend’s life. But in this world, they’re unimportant, because only things that affect straight white dudes really matter.
Has to be perhaps the most disingenuous thing I've ever read? If he'd said it did change how he felt about his friend, he'd get roasted, and when he said he didn't, it gets taken as some sort of minority erasure. The book never says it doesn't matter to her, or that he doesn't acknowledge it, just that it doesn't change his relationship with her.

Also the following one:
And then there’s Art3mis, Wade’s love interest. Art3mis is as flat as a paper doll, a character who exists only as a prize who will reward Wade when he proves his masculinity. Sure, we’re told that she’s strong and smart and a great gamer — but she’s never allowed to be such a good gamer that she poses a real threat to Wade. Her gaming skills are just good enough to make her a worthy prize for our hero, unlike other girls, who we are given to understand are empty-headed and vain.
Makes me honestly question if the author ever read the book; Art3mis repeatedly shows she's much better at the contest than Wade himself (not that it necessarily addresses the core point, just that it shows the author is mostly wrong about the book).

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Strangething (?) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:44 pm

Why is there Ready Player One discussion in the alt-right thread?
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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by West Filly (?) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:38 pm

Because the kind of person the movie validates is very close to the image of your average Pepes Mc4chan
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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by Bremen (?) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:01 pm

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Because the kind of person the movie validates is very close to the image of your average Pepes Mc4chan
No, it's not. It's a movie about geeks, but only a tiny minority of geeks are part of the horribleness that is Gamergate, and claiming otherwise is both giving them way more respect than they deserve and disrespecting a bunch of people like me, who happened to enjoy the book and is planning on seeing the movie the first chance he gets.

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Re: The ongoing fight against the alt-right

Post by West Filly (?) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:15 pm

As far as I've seen this book is about an exclusive, elitist and transphobic set of characters. You're right that jerkholes don't represent all geeks, but you're wrong about this story doing so.

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