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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:22 pm

This inspired me to re-read the Nightmare Rarity arc again too! I was so blown away by her design. Good times.

There are some aspects I would change (I prefer Nightmare Moon being sealed “in” not literally “on” the moon, maybe have Nightmare possessing creatures in the Everfree forest and holing up in the Castle of the Two Sisters?), but assuming we establish Luna created the “Nightmare Forces“ (which I’m assuming the comic actually did indicate?) or the Pony of Shadows or whatever we call it, I actually am left feeling...man, we needed something like this in the show in the first 3, preferably 2 seasons. Luna directly confronting her past as Nightmare Moon really should not have been relegated to a single episode all the way in season 5 (which I actually like, despite being mad Celestia didn’t show up).

Also, I will fight anyone who craps on Celestia lassoing the moon, that was beautiful and Equestria doesn’t follow anything so stale as real world physics!

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by pessimizer (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:15 am

Ransom wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:22 pm
This inspired me to re-read the Nightmare Rarity arc again too!
I recently read it for the first time, and I felt it was too fast paced in a lot of places.
Especially the dream nightmare sequences start and end very abruptly, often being resolved within one page.
I can understand they had to keep them short because they had to "get through" all the characters every time, but I still wish they had explored those further.
The one with Spike was pretty good though.

Perhaps my favorite scene was when they turn back Rarity and you can see all their happy memories (with a callback to the fart joke from earlier :P).

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:35 am

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Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:15 am
I recently read it for the first time, and I felt it was too fast paced in a lot of places.
Especially the dream nightmare sequences start and end very abruptly, often being resolved within one page.
I can understand they had to keep them short because they had to "get through" all the characters every time, but I still wish they had explored those further.
The one with Spike was pretty good though.

Perhaps my favorite scene was when they turn back Rarity and you can see all their happy memories (with a callback to the fart joke from earlier :P).
Oh yes, I won't actually dispute (for the most part) complaints about the technical side of things, I just really enjoyed certain aspects of it and felt having an arc like this say, as the season 2 finale for instance would have been great, not just as a good episode but for developing and setting up future episodes. Again, I'm mostly saying this as a fan for whom the Sun/Moon lore was perhaps the most interesting thing about the show for me and was super bummed at how Celestia and Luna seemed to be made less and less relevant even as we finally got some episodes focusing on them.

Glad you also liked the ending. It's similar to the memory spell solution to Discord's corruption but it makes sense as a way to counter Nightmare's deception. Maybe if you had had Luna link up the whole town in a combined dream to accommodate the "memory feed" it would have been a better way to display Luna defeating her old demons (to combine another aspect of Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep).

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by pessimizer (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:06 am

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Oh yes, I won't actually dispute (for the most part) complaints about the technical side of things, I just really enjoyed certain aspects of it [...]
Maybe that came across as too negative; I surely enjoyed it, too!

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Hedonism Bot (?) » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:47 pm

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Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:22 pm
Luna directly confronting her past as Nightmare Moon really should not have been relegated to a single episode all the way in season 5 (which I actually like, despite being mad Celestia didn’t show up).
It really shouldn't have amounted to Luna basically committing self-harm.

Also, I just read "The Good, the Bad, and the Ponies" (issue 25-26, main series). So according to Twilight, using magic against a non-magical citizen of Equestria is wrong when you're trying to stop crimes against common citizens, but totally kosher when you're stopping a crime against the government. Oh-kaaayyyy...

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by SigmasonicX (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:58 pm

Friendship is Magic #90
We finally get issue 2 of season 10!

The story starts with Zecora backstory, showing parallels between her and Twilight. On some level, it's disappointing that Zecora's unique characteristics aren't something that are actual parts of zebra culture, with rhyming being something she reads enhances magic spells and potion making something she was inspired to do after reading about Mage Meadowbrook. On the other hand, it's good that the zebras aren't "literally Zecora".
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The issue focuses on introducing Zecora's relationship to the new characters, though only three of the five new characters are really defined. We also get some comic relief with the ponies accompanying Zecora, particularly Tempest being very conquest-focused. Also the comic forgets she can't use telekinesis.
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The kelpies have some fun worldbuilding, and the two kelpie characters are more defined than the adaba characters.

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It's established that zebras aren't magic, so it's a bit odd when Prince Abraxas shows up in a flash of light. What's his deal? Not considered a zebra in the same way that alicorns aren't unicorns?

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Silver Quill's review is oddly harsh on Zecora's teacher for saying that zebras aren't magic in class, which I don't really get. He points out that Farasi is far more similar to Equestria than possibly makes sense, but he'll wait and see how it goes next chapter.

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Overall, good chapter.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:51 pm

I won’t go into Do Princesses Dream...here but I do get why people have problems with that. As I said, I’m more of the opinion that the show would have benefited from a 2 part season opener or finale style arc in the fashion of the Nightmare Rarity arc, even if it wasn’t perfect.

With regards to #90: Obviously, the most important aspect that I find in this comic is that it doesn’t address the rhyming zebras from the Journal of the Two Sisters so 0/10 for me.

Joking...I think. Actually I do like this origin for Zecora and it’s pretty neat that she was inspired by Mage Meadowbrook. Did they ever interact?

I confess I’m not sure what to think of the 1 to 1 parallels with Zecora essentially being set up as Zebra Twilight. It’s not ‘exact’ per se but pretty close, right up to having our Zebra Celestia. I get where Silver Quill is coming with the teacher, she was a tad blunt in telling kids they had no magic. I don’t know that Cheerilee would describe Earth Ponies in quite that way.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by SigmasonicX (?) » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:52 am

My Little Pony / Transformers #3
Issue three is here, and it's the best yet, I think. Mainly due to the hilarious and adorable concept of Fluttershy treating Soundwave's cassette animals as actual animals.

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Discord is here too, bringing some nonsense. On some level, I'm not a fan of including him here, since he destroys any sense that Fluttershy could be in real trouble. However, he does have some good gags, including Soundwave reacting to him.

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The art here is pretty good, and succeeds in making Fluttershy really cute.

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The second story was Rainbow and Windblade having a race, only to be interrupted by a bunch of Starscream clones (seeming to rub in that Starstream himself doesn't encounter Rainbow). It was odd that Rainbow would be the one to have a trick to avoid missiles and redirect them back to the attackers, but it was nice. It felt like there was a lot less to it than the Fluttershy part, though.

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Silver Quill's review reminds me of how the character I knew as Rumble is referred to as Frenzy here, which apparently has been a thing since the original toys. For the second story, I forgot that the first issue already showed Windblade encountering Rainbow, which is a story beat that's clearly been abandoned. Reading about the characterization changes for Windblade and even Misfire, I can definitely say the second story is on the weak end. However, it's still fairly fun. Also, the horse Transformers that cameo at the start of the race are from the Beast Wars and Beast Wars Neo toylines.

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Overall, definitely worth checking out, if only for the first story.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Hedonism Bot (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:24 pm

SigmasonicX wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:58 pm
The issue focuses on introducing Zecora's relationship to the new characters, though only three of the five new characters are really defined. We also get some comic relief with the ponies accompanying Zecora, particularly Tempest being very conquest-focused. Also the comic forgets she can't use telekinesis.
Tempest is basically a deconstruction of the disability-related saying "focus on what you can do, not on what you can't do. "Oh, 'what I can do' is violence and destruction? Might as well do that, then!"

It would have been hilarious if her breaking point was someone speaking that line to her while she was asking around Equestria's medical community for a solution. Or, for that matter, if someone was starting clinical trials of a prosthetic horn (like what you see on a fair amount of her fan art) right as she was joining up with the Storm King.

Plus, her telekinesis looks quite different from that of somepony with an intact horn. Perhaps she had been undergoing the magical equivalent of physical therapy, with Twilight helping her get whatever non-violent magic she can out of what's left of her horn.


Zecora's backstory also had me thinking: It might have been fun to see some mad science experiment with artificially instilling magical abilities in a non-magical creature. Perhaps it could result in a brand new villain to fight?

And the idea of dreaming of the abilities of a different species kind of reminded me of that Wind Sock dude from issue 81. Judging from the various examples of heavier-than-air flight technology from the show, he must not have been the only non-pegasus to take an interest in flying.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:01 pm

My take on Tempest was that she ran from home at an early age more from feeling rejected, which she associated with her broken horn, as opposed to some lost dream of being a super magical unicorn. Once she set out on her own outside the safety of Equestria, it was get tough or die, reinforcing her worldview.

Also, I’m stubborn and going to headcannon that there was still a Zebra tribe in the Everfree forest, one that worked with Mage Meadowbrook, and spoke in rhyme and Zecora is copying their mannerisms (The idea that her speaking in rhyme aids in her magic is interesting actually, is Zecora subtly performing certain low level spells as she speaks?

Finally, the Transformers crossover looks fun. I’m only sad that it looks like we won’t get the Optimus Prime/Celestia team up.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Hedonism Bot (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:43 pm

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Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:01 pm
My take on Tempest was that she ran from home at an early age more from feeling rejected, which she associated with her broken horn, as opposed to some lost dream of being a super magical unicorn. Once she set out on her own outside the safety of Equestria, it was get tough or die, reinforcing her worldview.
That was most likely the initial catalyst, but why then would she have been so damn obsessed with finding something to regenerate her horn? It probably couldn't have been about getting her childhood friends to un-reject her, what with her having rejected the very notion of friendship. Though it's still very possible that it was more about her wanting to be normal for the sake of being normal than wanting to do anything magic-related with her life (in which case a prosthesis may not have been a satisfactory solution to her, even if it were functionally fit for a princess).

For what it's worth, I'd been thinking that having one of her friends (We've only been introduced to one so far, right?) get into prosthetics research while Tempest was running around parts unknown could be a fun idea for a fanfic (being an engineer and not a writer, I doubt I could ever do it justice). The idea being to have Tempest discover that said friend not only hadn't written her off as broken, but had been busting her flank trying to help her.

And as for "Friendship in Disguise": Need one have any knowledge of past events in the comics to understand what's going on? The idea sounds like something I'd love to check out, but I'm still way behind with reading the main comic series.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:36 pm

I suppose my interpretation is that the broken horn still represents everything she hates about herself, and makes her feel weak. In my mind it’s less about being magical as being stronger.

Horn prosthetics are an interesting idea, though I guess I’m willing to accept unicorn horn is a difficult substance to grow or duplicate. The ponies do have magical artifacts, maybe a compromise would be a magical horn topper that can “hold” one or a very limited number of spells. Like basic levitation. All the better if she has to pop it off dramatically to unleash her more destructive blasts.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Hedonism Bot (?) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:48 am

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All the better if she has to pop it off dramatically to unleash her more destructive blasts.
I was actually thinking the exact same thing - the perfect "you just messed with the wrong pony" moment for whatever villain made the mistake of pissing her off.

Your idea reminds me of real-world prosthetics research: we have body-powered and myoelectric arms (which offer limited functionality relative to the human hand), and also preliminary research into neural interfaces (which could theoretically be just as good as the human hand, but will require a LOT of R&D to get anywhere near there). Perhaps the situation with Equestria's medical community could be similar: one could get a spell-specific prosthesis now, or wait Celestia-knows-how-long while researchers figure out a 1:1 replacement for unicorn horn. Though if Tempest already has her levitation back*, she might not have much interest in a spell-specific prosthesis. If, however, she's looking for ways to atone for her past, I could see her offering herself as a guinea pig - perhaps in hope that it might stop some other unlucky kid from turning out like her.

*If that actually was the result of magic physical therapy with Twilight as per my headcanon, it would have been sweet for the comic to show us a bit of that - it would have tied in beautifully with the movie's message of friendship. It may not be as good as growing a whole new horn, but it's way more than the Storm King ever did for her.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

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My Little Pony / Transformers #4 (FINAL)
And here we are, at the finale!

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First of all, Applejack has to deal with an Insecticon infestation, but then Discord summons the entire Apple Family to help out in an Avengers moment. This was pretty good, though also didn't have much in the way of characterization.

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And then the final story, with the big battle, complete with its own Avengers moment. The splash page for this was great (best part is Rarity driving Arcee into a Decepticon), and Twilight combined her magic with the Matrix of Leadership, but again, the chapter was light on characterization. It also felt a bit strange to bring in the Student Six and Cadance at this late point, but it isn't a big problem.

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Really not too much to say. This miniseries was a lot of fun, and the biggest problems involve not getting more of it. Thankfully, the issue does end with some sequel baiting. Who knows if we'll get it, though.

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Silver Quill's review mentions that he would have liked for the Decepticons to have gotten the upper hand at one point for this finale, to make them a bigger threat, but he's fully satisfied by this crossover.

If this series at all seems interesting to you, I definitely recommend checking it out.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:07 am

I'll have to pick this up sometime...I'm sorry to ask, but did Celestia or Luna show up in this crossover at all? I'm guessing that more or less confirms it takes place after season 9 but I'd be a bit disappointed if they just don't show up.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by SigmasonicX (?) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:54 pm

Ransom wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:07 am
I'll have to pick this up sometime...I'm sorry to ask, but did Celestia or Luna show up in this crossover at all? I'm guessing that more or less confirms it takes place after season 9 but I'd be a bit disappointed if they just don't show up.
I don't think they appear, no. Note that the first issue opens with Quibble Pants and a comic seller talking about the story being out of continuity, anyway.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:31 pm

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I don't think they appear, no. Note that the first issue opens with Quibble Pants and a comic seller talking about the story being out of continuity, anyway.
Yeah, it just disappoints me because I can remember all the Celestia and Optimus Prime team up fan art from the show's early days and always viewed them as very similar characters, noble and dignified leaders.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:41 pm

It was a pretty good issue, and series. Certainly a change of pace. Chrysalis fan that I am, I can't help wondering what happened to her at the end (Megatron didn't have her when he was pulled into the space bridge) unless she was pulled in anyway and ended up somewhere else. Image
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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:46 pm

Issue 91 is here.

Indeed, there was singing, and quite an attempt at a full fledged song too I might add.

The big reveal at the end of course, is going to divide some people but, well, it does make sense that the Tree would have other sprouts/other versions out there in the vast world. One thing I'm curious about, people keep assigning the Mane Six elements to Zecora's gang (as with the young six), but I should point out the Pillars had 'different but similar' virtues that corresponded with the Elements (Bravery->Loyalty and so on). Perhaps this tree will disperse new elements based on new virtues.

It actually strikes me further though, the original elements, the gemstones anyway, are gone (depending on how you interpret Twilight's ability to do the rainbow beam and saying they were only ever symbols in the finale). Starswirl said he felt them snuffed out. While the treehouse grew out of the original TOH remains, any new elements distributed by this tree would be the only EOH.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by SigmasonicX (?) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:16 am

Friendship is Magic #91
Part 3 is finally here! This mainly served to showcase the abada characters, who didn't get much focus before. Biggest surprise is that Dust Devil is nonbinary, a first for G4.



This was a good issue, though there isn't much to say, really. It's them coming across problem after problem that's solved by a different focus character, like the second episode. Then it ends with a surprise, but we'll have to wait until the next issue for what it all means.

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There was a song sequence that was cute, though I couldn't figure out how it would sound. Also, Tempest the hypocrite doesn't like songs.

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Silver Quill's review doesn't have much else to add. I was reminded of the oddity of a roc appearing with a completely different design than what we saw in the show (and with the ability to talk), but imagine it's just a regional difference.

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Overall, good issue.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:23 pm

Issue 92!

I'm actually just a little disappointed we didn't get unique virtues this time. I'm a little curious how this ties in with the Pillars planting the tree (albeit I sort of don't like the Pillars explanation anyway, for a number of reasons), but it is pretty cool to see Zecora's dream become fulfilled like that. I'm skeptical that the Commander will be a full on villain, though I have to note the rotary phone in the glass at the end? Maybe I'm reading too much into that.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by SigmasonicX (?) » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:38 pm

Friendship is Magic #92
Finally, we've reached the end of this arc. It's been four issues over five months, but with the delay before #89 even started it, it has felt even longer.

The issue confirms that yes, there is indeed a Tree of Harmony over in Farasi, and there appear to even be five total around the world. Kind of surprised they didn't go with six, really, since that's seemingly a special number for Harmony.

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It was interesting seeing the abandoned temple that housed the Tree, and how the characters examined it.

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Rockhoof and Tempest fighting the Grootslang was fun, though Tempest did less than I would have liked.

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With Zecora staying behind in Farasi, I expect we'll see more of that land and its characters later in season 10. However, there are still a lot of aspects I wish it could have spent more time on, such as showing off other kelpies and abadas, and explaining what's the deal with Prince Atraxa.

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I enjoyed this story arc, though I did think it played things too safe by sticking closely to the structure of the first two episodes of the show. Plus, while Andy Price's art is as beautiful as always, I did think the pop culture references made it confusing at times what's just a background gag and what's legit lore about Farasi. I think in this case, the setting would have benefited from a less reference-heavy portrayal.

Silver Quill's review points out that the hints at other Trees lifts this out of being just a repeat, and I must admit that was the case for me too. I had reconciled this Tree existing and the Equestria Tree having been planted by the Legends as the Tree being a sort of inevitable outcome, but the existence of temples to them does raise questions about this.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by Ransom (?) » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:31 pm

I’m guessing in the same way there are five ‘standard’ elements plus “Magic” as the ‘leader’ one that appears with friendship, the 5 temples activate a 6th hidden one.

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Re: General Comic Chat - 75 Issues of FiM and Counting

Post by SigmasonicX (?) » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:02 am

Friendship is Magic #93
Stepping away from what the older ponies are doing, we have a pretty cute story about Scootaloo and her family, with no appearances from other ponies.

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It's pretty straightforward, with her parents trying to get her interested in their work but it simply not working for Scootaloo. She's afraid her parents won't like her because of that, but they still do, and bond over other things. Her aunts comfort her during this.

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It's a nice enjoyable story with good art.

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Silver Quill chose to make a 10 minute video about this instead of his text review, and I'm not going to watch that. That does mean fewer pictures, alas. It does seem like he liked it from the thumbnail, though.

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